Discussion in 'EtcetEra' started by WrenchNinja, Aug 10, 2018.
Also, you have quoted me 5 times within ten minutes. Perhaps you could have spent this time doing something more productive like emailing the world health organization to explain to them how wrong they are on their recommendations? If you have some extra time, perhaps you could get in touch with the Australian Cancer Society, tell them all they did wrong when they linked 1/6 new cases of bowel cancer with red and processet meat? I mean, I'm just a guy on a forum but perhaps they can do something to help all these stupid vegans killing themselves and dying at a young age while the rest of the world are meat eating athletes.
I'm cool with vegans, do your thing. However don't push your agenda on me or pretend to be superior. Then you're just asking to wake the asshole inside me.
The morality may be subjective but at the same time you have to take ignorance into consideration. If people had to see the animals being slaughtered in such a brutal manner, I think many people would have other thoughts.
Also, I think many people overstate the importance of meat. If you cut back, you realize you never really needed the amount you were eating to begin with. We have basically been programmed to be as wasteful as possible.
As to the environment, every human contributes to global warming in some way. Just by shutting and using the toilet we contribute. Having cell phones. Using cars or buses. Etc. we prioritize what we will and will not do without. Some choose to give up meat, fantastic. Some choose to ride their bike instead of using a car, fantastic. I don’t feel bad about eating meat at all.
And, yeah, of course you always look at where the funding came from with any study. That goes without saying.
I never said that sugar and carbohydrates being bad make meat good. What makes meat good is that it is extremely nutritious and fulfilling and requires almost no processing to consume.
just admit you don't care about the environment or treating animals humanely.
Because if you’re not you apparently don’t care about the environment either. Asked on your own argument.
You’re right that everyone has an impact in some way, but it’s one us as a society to do what we can. More and more, people have been encouraged to reduce their gas emissions. I’m not sure why meat reduction shouldn’t also be encouraged. At the very least the problem needs to be put into the public eye.
this average life expectancy of 2015 chart thing, atleast 3 of the top 5 life expectancy countries dont have a mostly vegetable diet at all.
I'm not sure how the diet is in Monaco and San Mariano is though. They might eat that way.
2. I’m all for reducing the amount of meat we consume. And for educating the public about the conditions of the big meat manufacturers and praising the family run farms and butchers that do better.
Take care of your own shit before you go using a ridiculous measuring stick for the rest of us.
It's early to measure the impacts of this documentary in Spain and the way we eat, but I think it proves one thing: many people would change their behavior if they had more information. When they decide to eat meat, they don't do it with all the information that there is. That is not a free desition. Meat lobbies are going to fight against our right to know.
It wasn't until recently that we started to seriously investigate the health effects of meat consumption. The same with its correlation with greenhouse emissions, water scarcity and deforestation. The situation of farm animals is not the same as a hundred years ago due to massive industrial farming. There is a lot of green washing and misinformation. For instance, a lot of people who eat free-run eggs wouldn't if they knew what happens to the male chicks when they are born. Sure, others don't care, but everyone deserves to know in order to make informed desitions. The same way that many won't give a shit, many of us will rather get mad at how much effort has gone into keeping the truth from us, at what cost and for what reasons.
A lot of people who complain about annoying vegans don't realize that I'm not telling them to be vegan, but to be aware of the consequences of their actions. I believe that knowing is a responsibility that we all share but many decide to ignore.
The moment an ex-friend of mine forced her vegan diet to her pets (2 cats and 1 dog) agaisnt her vet's advice, with the 3 of them falling stick as a consequence, was the day i lost respect for vegans
Eat whatever you want, you can even get to try your friends and family some vegan food and bring them into the crowd, but for fucks sake leave animals and babies alone you shithead
Even when I ate meat multiple times per day, I knew there were major ethical problems with it. I admired vegans and I fully acknowledged I wasn't acting in accordance with my principles, but it was too convenient/tasty. I eat a largely plant-based diet now, but I still have meat at restaurants several times per month. None of us is perfect, and I wish people would just accept that rather than rationalizing their support of the meat industry.
I mean, most of us could be giving to charity more as well, or driving less; there's a lot of stuff we could do to live more ethically. I don't know why it is that when it comes to this one specific area, people refuse to admit that some people are making more ethical choices than they are. Just embrace your imperfection and keep trying to be better in small ways.
If you want to dismiss the world health organization, good luck.
Meat needs lots of processing dude. You need to kill and chop up the animal. You need to freeze it, salt it, smoke it or press the blood out unless you eat it right after killing the animal. Meat turns brown after cutting it, you need to add chemicals or radiation to keep it red (unless you live in the EU, where radiation is banned). And you ALWAYS need to cook it. All of that is processing the food, and it's assuming we are talking of a simple steak. An apple is an example of food that doesn't need processing (even though most apples you can buy have been waxed).
No animosity here: you should research into what you eat.
You don't really believe this do you?
eat whatever you want but dont shove it in my face and judge what I eat and tell me its "wrong"
vegans, furries, juggalos, cuckolding enthusiasts, gamers, GAM3RZ, weeaboos, people that marry realdolls, people that travel across the country to get a selfie with their favorite influencers
which of these groups can we joke about? None? No more making fun of anyone?
The comedians I like don't make fun of other people. Good comedians own up to their own insecurities and make fun of themselves. You do you.
Even when I tell you multiple times that I'm cool with your choice and nobody's changing mine, you just can't help but dig at me.
And this is exactly why vegans get an unfair rep. Doesn't make it right for other people to rag on your choices or pull that dumb "hurr durr more steak for me" pettiness, but it is still why the rep is there.
Give me those things and I'll be on board. Until then, I honestly don't care.
up the food chain?
But this is really besides the point. Because even if we have no control over the development of superior beings, we recognize the value in ourselves and would like to be treated better than we treat other animals whether it's something we created or some random aliens that come to visit. And there's not really much reason to believe that other animals don't feel the same way -- that they value themselves and don't like to be treated poorly. If ethics is simply "whatever the thing at the top of the food chain decides," then we're basically welcoming whatever comes next to treat us like food and/or pets or energy sources or whatever, and for some reason I doubt we're going to feel like that's very ethical of them to treat us like that!
I just don't find your argument very compelling and pointed out why. When I eat meat I don't try to kid myself by telling myself it's ok because lions do it or because I can outsmart a chicken I can do whatever I want to it.
People get unusually defensive because veganism is one of the few issues where there's a pretty direct line between the actions of the individual and suffering of sentient life. I don't think it's hard for people to understand that a life without meat is very possible for many people, and that there's nothing natural or right about the factory farm industry that is the vast majority of meat they buy.
Doesn't mean it's not difficult to change eating habits overnight, but I'd be a lot happier if people admit they can do better, and do what they can to slowly ease back on the amount of meat they buy, instead of the defensive hatred you usually see.
I would just encourage people that are regretful meat eaters to keep pushing themselves to progressively eat less meat.
Im a meat eater but honestly never understood why people go so hard on vegans. Sure theres some militant vegans but they are considerably small in number compared to both the rest of the vegan population and also compared to the amount on meat eaters who feel the need to defend their diet when in the presence of vegans. Most of the vegans i have met have been Black, Brown or Asian. I have met a few white vegans also and they seemed ok, even if a little hippyish.
Mostly if the topic of diet comes up its an interesting convo. But i have also witnessed time and time again people butt in with the "but what do you eat if not meat?" "Its not healthy to be vegan" "people need meat" and "i could never do that" comments, dispite the fact that a large portion of the world is at least vegetarian. It is mostly uneccissarily agressive and completely uncalled for since the vegans arent trying to change anyones diet most of the time, mostly they are just existing and being vegan. The vegan hate really just seems unnecessary in most instances.
If the suffering of others is something you care about (and you should care about it if you care about your own suffering) then you should want to minimise the suffering you cause. In the case of animals, it's easier than ever to avoid animal products which cause the death and suffering of billions of animals (trillions including sea creatures). Whether you should choose dairy or soy milk has no relation to the extent some humans might be suffering because of some other product you bought earlier in the day.
having or showing compassion or benevolence.
I have no issue personally with whatever moral choices someone makes in their live with regard to their diet. I'd even be fine with discussing why I don't personally agree with them, as long as it's a open and rational debate. Put if someone start lecturing me - unwilling to listen to other viewpoints, yeah, I don't need that crap.
I don't care what you do or don't eat, just don't be a cunt about it.
Were "militant vegetarians" ever a thing? I can't remember them inciting as much ire as vegans do.
Also feel free to make fun of anyone using l337 5p34k in 2018; please
it's absolutely unrealistic to expect people to only be super nice to each other all the time and never make a mean joke or snide remark about the weird things others are really into even if they are clearly funny
I thought the whole obnoxious vegan thing was a myth until I met some.