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[VIDEO] Behind the scenes - The Shining. Kubrik vs Shelly Duval. Was this guy an asshole? Was she a bad actress?

Frecklestein

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Oct 27, 2017
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It doesn't even matter of she was a shitty actress or not. Recast her, instead of traumatizing the poor woman for a fucking film. Nothing is worth that.
 

Nameless

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shelley delivered a GOAT-tier performance and film(3 Women) for Robert Altman before this so I'm standing with her.
 

Xx 720

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Jack Nicilson had the flashy role, Shelly grounded the film and lended plausibility, exactly what was required.
 

Mahonay

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Pencils Vania
One of Kubrick’s most noted traits is that he was an astounding asshole. It was definitely Kubrick just being abusive to Shelly.
 
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She's obviously not a bad actress. Have you seen the movie?
He brutally got her to those emotional heights, but it's still her performance.

The video's not loading on my phone but I'm guessing this is from Kubrick's daughter's making of. Everyone should watch that. Jack being a creep towards her in his dressing room, James Mason visiting the set, Scatman tearing up over Danny, Jack psyching himself up for the door chop. It's all great.
 

DJMicLuv

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Oct 27, 2017
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He was an arsehole to her but the performance she gave is phenomenal so it's hard to tell. Would she have been that convincing without his pushing? Either way she's one of the most believable performances in movie history for my money.
 

Donald Draper

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He was an arsehole to her but the performance she gave is phenomenal so it's hard to tell. Would she have been that convincing without his pushing? Either way she's one of the most believable performances in movie history for my money.
Funny thing is she was nominated for a razzie for her performance and kubrick was too. Funny how perceptions of films change over the years. And how critics can get things dead wrong.
 

DJMicLuv

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Oct 27, 2017
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is it fair to say Kubrick was overrated?
Not at all. His eye for framing a shot is unmatched. Next time you watch a Kubrick scene check the symmetry of each shot, the lines formed from each object, the way the frame is broken up and how each line is positioned. He had an amazing eye for it and to some it can seem antiseptic and cold but that's the nature of the beast with Kubrick.
 

DJMicLuv

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Oct 27, 2017
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Funny thing is she was nominated for a razzie for her performance and kubrick was too. Funny how perceptions of films change over the years. And how critics can get things dead wrong.
I don't know what to say. Her vulnerability in the film adds so much to the general tension of the movie to me, it reads as genuinely being pushed to the limit, I think she nails it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I've heard it explained that Kubrick was deliberately being an asshole to get the kind of mood/mindset and performance from Duval that he wanted, but I'm not sure I believe that.
 

Sweeney Swift

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kubrick was an abusive prick, and justifying traumatizing women by saying "well her acting should have been naturally better so he wouldn't have had to do it" is startlingly shitty
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Kubrick was infamously abusive toward her on that set. Doesn't mean Shelley Duvall wasn't a good actress though. 3 Women, while a weird fucking movie, is another good performance of hers, and Altman was a much nicer guy than Kubrick to his actors.
 

Arebours

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Oct 27, 2017
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Insanely good with visuals, but the human core was always lacking. His working style is well reflected in his work.
i mean.. you say that like it's a bad thing byt I think that's one of the best things about his work. He actually put a lot of work into expressing ideas beyond the traditional english lit, campbellian type of narrative(which is even more dominating today). That's one reason I can't take anyone who thinks Nolan or Villeneuve is the Kubrick of today seriously because neither of them could ever make a movie like 2001 or Eyes wide Shut. Not because their camera work is inferior but because they can't get out of the framework that movies and stories have to be centered around a human core and character development. 2001 is so fucking great precisely because it doesn't loop back into being a story about people, but keeps the focus on telling the story of human existence in the cosmos.
 
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Conal

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Oct 26, 2017
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Just a reminder that despite how Kubrick's and Hitchcock's behaviour is often romanticised, being a piece of shit isn't in any way correlated with talent or vision.

Talent or vision just make being a piece of shit infinitely easier and more acceptable.
 

Tobor

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Oct 25, 2017
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How is he being an asshole in this video? This is what filmmaking is. Sometimes people get frustrated on set. Big fucking deal.

As someone who has been on sets, this is so mild it isn’t even worth worrying about.
 

mikeamizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Barry Lyndon is as incredible work of art and beautifully done as it gets also; but the documentary filmworker does present a lot of the less than nurturing processes of Kubrick