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Video games, not guns, to blame for school shooting, says Kentucky gov.
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I'm sure he doesn't mind our military using games like Call of Duty as avenues for advertisement and recruitment.
They aren't really arguing anything. It's merely an excuse pulled out every time to drag down the gun law discussions until it fades away.
Are you that naive that thats the only answer you can bother to post. The problem is bigger than the gun laws, if you cant see that then not sure what to say.
There are millions of people in America, how many school shootings are there? Look back 25 years and compare how many of the same occurances there were, and tell me they havent risen, when gun laws are exactly the same as they have always been.
To blame it on any one thing is just stupidity.
Funnily enough, both hobbies have many fans who get emotionally invested in them and weave so much of their hobby into their identity that they lose the ability to have rational discussions about them.
So his killing intentions and fucked up mind were just fine moments before he grabbed a gun? Then he magically turned into a lunatic? Guns aren't some cursed ancient egyptian artifacts sorry.
you're accusing someone of being lazy while driveby posting NRA slogans? ohkay...
I was just thinking about how alt-right gamers must be thinking right now. Which side do they take?? They love guns, but they also love video games and "FREE SPEECH".
Are you serious? Fucking hell, this place is something else at times. Carry on being blind man.
The fact you can make a post like that and not think twice, or be pulled up, makes me wonder what type of forum this even is!
Are you that indoctrinated that all you can post is a statement that downplays a guns role? Guns laws work, other countries do it, if you cant see that I dont know what to tell you. If the guy went on a murder spree with their fists, ya, people kill people. If its a tool, you can minamize it. Is it the only issue? Hell no, but dont delude yourself that it isnt the biggest.
blind to what, exactly? nobody is saying the problem is entirely on gun control, but its clear that when someone posts "guns don't kill people, people do" they have no intention of discussing that aspect. Did you think it was a /thread quote? please tell me you have the bumper sticker.
No, mental health is a large problem as well, but without that gun I guarantee a lot more people would be alive
Not a problem when a mentally instable teen that threatened the school has access to guns, but god forbid if he watched porn, he might want to shoot people from watching that.
Like PUBG when you drop at the school but never find a gun. Scary stuff. That's real survival horror for ya.
I bet a game like Alien: Isolation would work great in a school shooter setting.
Them being easily available exaberbates a lot of problems though.
Literally everything with the danger potential of guns is behind a lot of rules/permits to gain acces to.
Him having killing intentions is still a problem, but without a gun, he doesn't kill 17 people.
Doesn't mean guns are the only problem that needs fixing.
I don't think North Korea should have nukes.
Nukes don't kill peoople. People kill people.
Really? It's incredible how blinkered some people can be. I live in the UK and as a culture we play just as many games as the US, but do you know how many school shootings we have? That's right, 0. There will always be good and bad in the world, trying to pin the blame on something else to remove focus from the real problem is the action of a child.
Yes, people kill people. Ultimately, mental health is the root cause here.
That said, killing people with knives is quite difficult, while killing people with guns is quite easy. Making it more difficult for people to kill people results in fewer people dying. It's intuitively obvious that that's the case, but if your need evidence then you can look at literally the entire rest of the world.
What precisely is the argument against this statement?
I blame American culture and an absolute failure of government (across both parties). Cultivate fear and make sure everyone is armed. What can go wrong?
The sad thing about this is that there are tons of people who actually believe this to be true. I remember when a relative of mine came to us many years ago when there was a school shooting in Germany and their TV was all over video games. I was playing Killzone 2 with her son and then she comes in and goes like "This shit should be banned." - I just bertstared her and told her that she watches too much TV.
Really pains me to see who little people think on their own. I mean, sure, why wouldn't a perfectly healthy and sociable teenager go on shooting rampage in his school after playing a video game? Him having a horrible time there being bullied and stuff like that sure had nothing to do with it. Must be videja gamez. /s
Really pains me to see who little people think on their own. I mean, sure, why wouldn't a perfectly healthy and sociable teenager go on shooting rampage in his school after playing a video game? Him having a horrible time there being bullied and stuff like that sure had nothing to do with it. Must be videja gamez. /s
We have a very violent culture, this is why we create violent media, it's not the other way around.
Mental illness is a thing...
In the US it is very easy to get lethal weapons.
This adds up to a lot of terrible headlines.
There are plenty of places in the world without these headlines, it's time to stop pretending we don't know why.
Mental illness is a thing...
In the US it is very easy to get lethal weapons.
This adds up to a lot of terrible headlines.
There are plenty of places in the world without these headlines, it's time to stop pretending we don't know why.
The one and only reason assault rifles (and many other gun types) exist are so one human can kill another.
I'm genuinely not trying to make this a direct attack on your character, but between this and your praise for Jordan Peterson, I'm not sure why you're virtue signaling when it seems you're the one out of place.
Americans glorify guns and violence more than most western countries. It also has a higher, non homogenous population than other western countries, with vast difference in wealth and social situations. It has immense problems with racial and religious extremism as well. I think it's possible that these lead to a society that's more on edge, and ready to boil over, and that multiplayer games just sort of ignite the powder keg that's already there.
Tldr: there's a lot of institutional hatred in the US that has existed for most of it's history, and this simply isn't found in most western countries.
Yea, also, Megyn Kelly was on NBC yesterday morning blaming video games for what happened. It was a big dramatic moment.
Just because i played GTA, it doesnt make me want to be a murderer. I believe in the existence of conscience that makes us pity human and to love human.
If for some reason, lets say it happens because the kid played a GTA game as an example like the mayor said, it means the kid himself is problematic in the first place for the lack of conscience and common sense. Not the game
If for some reason, lets say it happens because the kid played a GTA game as an example like the mayor said, it means the kid himself is problematic in the first place for the lack of conscience and common sense. Not the game
I mean I'm sure it would help but it's a bandaid. People would find other ways. Bombs are easy to make. With the internet, you can learn how to make anything.
(Not saying I'm against gun laws, though there is something to be said about enforcement. Many of the recent shootings have been by people who shouldn't have legally had guns. Why are we not seeing enforcement of those laws?)
Gun culture and indoctrination and fetishisation of guns and the military is a very real thing. The desire to be a soldier is a very real thing, I've seen it in schools with JROTC programs. Worse still when you factor in radical ideologies like white supremacy who harbor and instill these intentions to kill and cause terror.
I hate this talk on mentally ill being the ones killing when most of the time it's not. Plenty like the recent shooter were radicalized by white supremacy.
Also stronger gun laws should be a thing. America is absolutely pathetic about this. Instead of tackling the real issue of gun law and gun control they go after other things so they let teachers carry guns, let schools have active guards with guns, blame video games and movies and whatever else. It's pathetic.
Guns and the easy access to guns are a major problem. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly not paying attention or continuing to deflect that laws won't work or it's something else, it's the person not the gun, etc. The first major step to safety is to tackle the number 1 major threat, the guns. We can argue about this forever, but it's the guns. We can argue it's the person, but it's the guns. We can argue it's mental illness, but it's the guns. We can argue it's radicalization, but it's the guns. It all comes back to the guns and the easy access to guns. These types of people are going to come into possession of some weapon, but a weapon like some knife isn't going to kill 17 people in a matter of seconds. And yes our culture does in fact love guns, there's no denying that, and and in our culture we fetishize guns, killing, military, we foster radical behaviors, especially today where the behavior is becoming more common and it's definitely something that should be talked about. But my God, something has to be done about the guns or little will change at all. How can we tackle these other issues if nothing is being done about the number 1 issue?
I hate this talk on mentally ill being the ones killing when most of the time it's not. Plenty like the recent shooter were radicalized by white supremacy.
Also stronger gun laws should be a thing. America is absolutely pathetic about this. Instead of tackling the real issue of gun law and gun control they go after other things so they let teachers carry guns, let schools have active guards with guns, blame video games and movies and whatever else. It's pathetic.
Guns and the easy access to guns are a major problem. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly not paying attention or continuing to deflect that laws won't work or it's something else, it's the person not the gun, etc. The first major step to safety is to tackle the number 1 major threat, the guns. We can argue about this forever, but it's the guns. We can argue it's the person, but it's the guns. We can argue it's mental illness, but it's the guns. We can argue it's radicalization, but it's the guns. It all comes back to the guns and the easy access to guns. These types of people are going to come into possession of some weapon, but a weapon like some knife isn't going to kill 17 people in a matter of seconds. And yes our culture does in fact love guns, there's no denying that, and and in our culture we fetishize guns, killing, military, we foster radical behaviors, especially today where the behavior is becoming more common and it's definitely something that should be talked about. But my God, something has to be done about the guns or little will change at all. How can we tackle these other issues if nothing is being done about the number 1 issue?
Then why are there close to no school shootings in other countries?
Laws can change in reaction to social problems (and the potential for them). That's what happened at the first sign of a school shooting in the UK and Australia.
Gun laws aren't the only issue but they are the easiest aspect to address rather than hoping to untangle the USA's social problems before the next massacre, when you've had more than one a week so far this year. To anyone in a different western country that sounds like a warzone.
