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videogamedunkey: Kingdom Hearts 3 (dunkview)
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I played FFXV in 2016, still don't get it, a FF open world that feels so inconsistent it drops the open world half way through, a FF game with one playable character and no turn based combat. Even on its own merits the game is underwhelming (just 2 towns) What's the point? With KH 3 I can see exactly what the point is and how it sets to improve and escalate upon 2.
It's almost like he, a person who didn't like Kingdom Hearts in the first place, deliberately went in knowing he wouldn't like it and so could shit on the game and make a video with which he knew would be a brave and controversial take.
Yeah, the series isn't flawless of course and has a lot of to explain itself for and it's convoluted as hell story, but I don't understand why someone would go to play a game they didn't enjoy, other than to just shit on it.
Yeah, the series isn't flawless of course and has a lot of to explain itself for and it's convoluted as hell story, but I don't understand why someone would go to play a game they didn't enjoy, other than to just shit on it.
KH is a huge franchise and the development cycle was so long that of course people will have high expectations. I can't say for sure but I've played the first two games but I'm skipping this one.
Based on a lot of criticism the sacrifices are too many. Shoehorned Disney setups, little to no comprehensive story elements, repetitive gameplay and poor level design.
If you only look at metacritic and sales the game seem to be doing well. But I think i'd have to trust my gut and the Dunk for this one.
Based on a lot of criticism the sacrifices are too many. Shoehorned Disney setups, little to no comprehensive story elements, repetitive gameplay and poor level design.
If you only look at metacritic and sales the game seem to be doing well. But I think i'd have to trust my gut and the Dunk for this one.
His job is to shit on video games? Sounds pretty toxic and awful to me. :/
Actually preview wise both are great according to many journalist's/ critics
I can only tolerate his PS1 art. I really hate his style and other influences since at least PS2. I would like to try the gameplay, even if it is said to be not that deep, but anytime anything story-related pops up I just can't bear with it.
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I can totally see why someone would hate this game for the reasons he mentioned.
Still GOTY material for me.
Still GOTY material for me.
his job is to entertain, and going by the amount of subscribers a lot of people are entertained. If you don't find him funny you can just like, not watch his shit.
I can see that yeah. It's fair play if people enjoy his content, and it may even be entertaining. But I find it pretty bad that someone who doesn't enjoy something would blatantly play it only to shit on it, even if it is his job. Oh well.
Ignore Leffen. He's so sensationalist, I like and strongly dislike the guy at the same time. Great smash player, good streamer but he's still very childish and a lot of his fans enable that.
He is 100% right in everything he said.
Nomura should never be let direct or create/produce a game ever again. He should stay designing characters and even then should have someone above him telling him to take out all he edginess, belts and zippers like Takahashi dis with him on xenoblade 2.
I dont think the world ends with you story is that good either, and thats his best.
Also, when is fucking KH going to understand that Mickey Mouse's ears, even in 3d, need to face the front of the camera by Walts own words? Even epic mickey got this right.
Nomura should never be let direct or create/produce a game ever again. He should stay designing characters and even then should have someone above him telling him to take out all he edginess, belts and zippers like Takahashi dis with him on xenoblade 2.
I dont think the world ends with you story is that good either, and thats his best.
Also, when is fucking KH going to understand that Mickey Mouse's ears, even in 3d, need to face the front of the camera by Walts own words? Even epic mickey got this right.
So like what, reviewers should only review games that they know they will like or something?
Nope. But imagine getting someone to review a game when that someone doesn't want to like it or already has some opinion on it before playing it. It isn't a review in good faith.
I don't really care for this guy in the video but he hits the nail on the head really here. I mean damn BotW was nearly 2 years ago, Bloodborne nearly 4, Undertale more than 3 etc there's been a lot of games this gen that have really pushed the envelope so to speak and then this game comes out near the tail end and... yeah. Forced tutorials, dozens and dozens of cutscenes, invisible walls, unwelcoming plot for newcomers (being 3rd or whatever in a series isn't a good enough excuse IMO since I was also new to The Witcher this gen and had a *much* easier time with that game) incredibly limited freedom and choice for the player, easy and really lacking in depth in regards to plot and characters and their motivations. A lot of longtime fans don't like to hear this seemingly but the game feels like a PS2/3 game to me- a beautiful and polished af one at that- with all that above taken into consideration.
The cutscenes, dialogue and plot really are as bad as I feared they'd be as a newcomer so really it falls on the Disney worlds to elevate the game and with how poor they get it just doesn't cut it. A really mixed bag considering how beautiful it is and how fun the game can be at times.
The cutscenes, dialogue and plot really are as bad as I feared they'd be as a newcomer so really it falls on the Disney worlds to elevate the game and with how poor they get it just doesn't cut it. A really mixed bag considering how beautiful it is and how fun the game can be at times.
Should 'wanting to like it' a requirement? Such a weird way of gatekeeping people from giving his opinions about something. Maybe he tries to like it but the game didn't do enough to persuade him?
It's not really a big issue really. He can play whatever he pleases, and people are entitled to their opinions. I guess it's more a matter of who people want to take seriously. I know I don't take him seriously. All I know is he went into this game wanting to shit on it.
there were a bunch of games you missed and you don't get the plot
I don't get what the issue is here. And the witcher isn't every video game
Just because he knew he wouldn't like it going into it does not invalidate his opinion or make what he's said wrong. Kingdom Hearts 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, yet I still agree with the majority of this video and found Kingdom Hearts 3 extremely disappointing, so much so that I was surprised to see it rated higher than KH2 on metacritic.
You're right, can't say I disagree. Some of his points are valid, yeah.
But KH3 is on par with KH2 for me atm.
Well it's been more than a decade since KH2, and KH3 has become the highest selling in the series already, I don't doubt that the number of people playing this game without having played previous games in the series is quite numerous. Therefore I do believe that how the plot is interpreted by these people is an issue worth discussing, and as far as I'm concerned it's not good.
And yes The Witcher isn't every video game, whatever that was supposed to mean. It was just a video game that I played as my first of its series in its 3rd iteration and managed to convey its plot really well in spite of that through excellent writing and a welcoming and likeable cast of characters.
Basically KH3 is just bad in this regard, and TW3 is good, hence the comparison.
Sure thing "Kingsora". Dude, you are named after the main character, you have his avatar, and 99% of your posts are about KH3. Are you really the person to be telling others they aren't being objective?
Other that his 1/5, which is basically to trigger die hard fans who shit themselves when anyone says anything negative about this franchise, his video is 100% dead on, balls accurate. I don't care if he went into it looking to hate it, he found exactly what what there is to find. It's a mediocre game, in a mediocre franchise, and much like any media first swallowed up by pre-teens, most of the diehards have convinced themselves it's far better than it ever was. I'm actually shocked he was as kind to the game as he was, I was expecting far worse than the truth telling I saw in that video.
Either way, they shouldn't let Nomura touch another installment of this game, or any game, and should go back to the drawing board with KH4 and take another look at why this slam dunk of a series, that should be nearly universally loved by anyone with a beating heart, turned out to be one of the most decisive series in the history of video games.
KH3 isn't the third game in the series though , you missed a lot of story in that time. I think there are legitimate story issues in kh3 and in the series in general despite my love for it. But I find the idea if you can't immediately know what's going on in a story at any point , it means it failed. No, you missed some story, either do some research or go in blind.
At the end of the day I don't get why people are so pissy about criticism, this is the best outcome for the series.
KH3 sold the best and there's clearly people that love it even with the swarm of criticisms. This just means they will either want to pump the same exact level of quality for the sequels or will want to improve with the feedback given.
It's not like the Breath of the Wild vs Classic Zelda formula debate. Most of the criticisms wouldn't change the series all that much at it's core.
KH3 sold the best and there's clearly people that love it even with the swarm of criticisms. This just means they will either want to pump the same exact level of quality for the sequels or will want to improve with the feedback given.
It's not like the Breath of the Wild vs Classic Zelda formula debate. Most of the criticisms wouldn't change the series all that much at it's core.
People don't always love their jobs every second of every day. If he has to play a few stinkers in order to produce entertaining content that people love, well that's life (and work). Plenty of poor sods hate their jobs all the time. He's better off than many.
"This one doesn't count!" Defense again.
Yeah do it. Those are perfectly valid complains that are getting completely overshadowed by the "story is dumb" meme.
So yes. That too. Just as hard.
I want a video on the dumb campy lines they say and the weird chronology werr 3 takes place before 1 and 2 gets moved around, and also about how confused they are about letter capitalisation in the titles that barely touches on the actual issues fans care about like a lack of difficulty or too many mini games. And let's top it off with minimal scores that are just exaggerated from the general consensus despite the games merits
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I don't understand the way the video begins, if all of that shit wasn't explained people would be complaining the game doesn't explain it's mechanics. Are there better ways to do them? Yes. But a quick slide doesn't take away from the game lol and from what I'm getting, it's openly comparing it to other games as something that is bad? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
Yeah...
The gameplay has tons of options, and yeah unfortunatelly it's difficutly is toned down WAY to much. I don't understand how you can say KH3's gameplay is boring if you EVER enjoyed a KH game, it's close to KH2 for me, and has things I enjoy more. Also, the variety of stuff you can do in KH3 is enormous, and he may say they aren't done well, but for me getting to go on a ship, slide down a mountain, dancing with rapunzel, cooking and having an enjoyable gummi ship added a much welcomed variety and value to my gameplay experience.
Also, it's easy to take out of context scenes and make them look bad, it's also pretty funny that almost 90% of the scenes he picked were expository scenes to make things easier for newcomers that can't be bothered to play the other games, and thats acceptable, but don't criticize the game for doing that shit for you. Now of course, kh's cutscenes quality are debatable, and highly vary in quality throughout the game.
Disney's inclusion quality is valid. But if you're going to focus on the story motives for why the characters are there and the way they handle the story of the movies in those worlds, you also have to acknowledge the outstanding quality of the worlds in themselves, the atention to detail in outstanding, and saying it has no charm is bullshit, when you group together music, world design, visuals, models, animations and side-activities you can do in them.
And wow? I'm at the end of the review? That was pretty bad and this is what some people in this thread called "in depth but casual"?
All of these takes are just so boring and bring nothing new to what people have been saying for years! Keep complaining about the story, people LOVE KH because or in spite of it.
Yeah...
The gameplay has tons of options, and yeah unfortunatelly it's difficutly is toned down WAY to much. I don't understand how you can say KH3's gameplay is boring if you EVER enjoyed a KH game, it's close to KH2 for me, and has things I enjoy more. Also, the variety of stuff you can do in KH3 is enormous, and he may say they aren't done well, but for me getting to go on a ship, slide down a mountain, dancing with rapunzel, cooking and having an enjoyable gummi ship added a much welcomed variety and value to my gameplay experience.
Also, it's easy to take out of context scenes and make them look bad, it's also pretty funny that almost 90% of the scenes he picked were expository scenes to make things easier for newcomers that can't be bothered to play the other games, and thats acceptable, but don't criticize the game for doing that shit for you. Now of course, kh's cutscenes quality are debatable, and highly vary in quality throughout the game.
Disney's inclusion quality is valid. But if you're going to focus on the story motives for why the characters are there and the way they handle the story of the movies in those worlds, you also have to acknowledge the outstanding quality of the worlds in themselves, the atention to detail in outstanding, and saying it has no charm is bullshit, when you group together music, world design, visuals, models, animations and side-activities you can do in them.
And wow? I'm at the end of the review? That was pretty bad and this is what some people in this thread called "in depth but casual"?
All of these takes are just so boring and bring nothing new to what people have been saying for years! Keep complaining about the story, people LOVE KH because or in spite of it.
I'm not sure what's your point here. I'm not into DMC like I am with KH but most people that are into DMC never praise the story like KH fans do. Most people accept the story for that series to be garbage, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here. The difference between something like KH and DMC is really in its gameplay. KH is pretty much mindless JRPG combat jank while DMC actually has some of the best hack and slash combat to ever exist similar to Bayonetta.
I don't understand the way the video begins, if all of that shit wasn't explained people would be complaining the game doesn't explain it's mechanics. Are there better ways to do them? Yes. But a quick slide doesn't take away from the game lol and from what I'm getting, it's openly comparing it to other games as something that is bad? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
Yeah...
The gameplay has tons of options, and yeah unfortunatelly it's difficutly is toned down WAY to much. I don't understand how you can say KH3's gameplay is boring if you EVER enjoyed a KH game, it's close to KH2 for me, and has things I enjoy more. Also, the variety of stuff you can do in KH3 is enormous, and he may say they aren't done well, but for me getting to go on a ship, slide down a mountain, dancing with rapunzel, cooking and having an enjoyable gummi ship added a much welcomed variety and value to my gameplay experience.
Also, it's easy to take out of context scenes and make them look bad, it's also pretty funny that almost 90% of the scenes he picked were expository scenes to make things easier for newcomers that can't be bothered to play the other games, and thats acceptable, but don't criticize the game for doing that shit for you. Now of course, kh's cutscenes quality are debatable, and highly vary in quality throughout the game.
Disney's inclusion quality is valid. But if you're going to focus on the story motives for why the characters are there and the way they handle the story of the movies in those worlds, you also have to acknowledge the outstanding quality of the worlds in themselves, the atention to detail in outstanding, and saying it has no charm is bullshit, when you group together music, world design, visuals, models, animations and side-activities you can do in them.
And wow? I'm at the end of the review? That was pretty bad and this is what some people in this thread called "in depth but casual"?
All of these takes are just so boring and bring nothing new to what people have been saying for years! Keep complaining about the story, people LOVE KH because or in spite of it.
Please stop making sense! The circlejerk must continue!
No one does that! No. One. Zero fans will tell you with a straight face that this is a good story
It's a fucking mess of a plot that people have fun with. Like Dragon Ball or DMC too. It ain't that hard to understand.
KH shines in many departments, from its music to levels and specially challenge runs. That's what people want. Yet youtubers just want to tell people that the story is bad.
It's like me making a video on Dragon Ball Super: Broly having a fucking awful story fresh of its success. Fans know. They don't care. The characters are fun and they're here for the fights
For DMC the characters are fun and they're here for the combat. They know the story is fucking trash. They don't care. We must know if Vergil is Nero's father even if it makes zero sense and doest fit with the character at all. Who gives a shit? It's fun!
If there is an actual problem all 5 million people that bought KH3 are talking about is that it repeated KHII's mistake of being waaaaay too easy at launch. That is problem the people buying this game care about that's getting drowned in a sea of shitty memes about the plot
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This isnt true at all of people on this board consistently defend the story. Theres even an entire thread about it here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ki...because-it-focuses-on-earned-happiness.98496/
The thread clearly says
He knows the plot is fucking dumb but likes the characters and their interactions... Did you even read it?
And I agree with him. KH can be pretty emotional. Though I'd argue is mostly thanks to its fantastic music in the emotional character moments in the middle of the nonsense
People like Goku and Gohan as characters in the middle of the garbage fire of retcons that is the DB canon because of their emotional moments too. Same for Dante and Lady and Snake and Raiden.
It's the same. The "fans claim this is an Oscar worth story" thing is nonexistent beyond what I imagine amounts to some weird tumblr posts
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I know this doesn't prove anything. But you can also find people that say DMC's story is good. This was a quick google search also.
People like DMC's story because of it's characters, same for KH. We as KH fans are invested in their stories, thats why we like it.
casuals take the story more seriously than the people in the KH community do lmao. The story in the community is one big meme.
Yeah not sure where this weird narrative about people standing for the story is coming from, specific characters sure, but the overall story? As a big fan people just enjoy speculating where the insanity goes next. But I also read a thread here where someone said if you like kh you were stunted maturity wise so ehhh
I don't understand the way the video begins, if all of that shit wasn't explained people would be complaining the game doesn't explain it's mechanics. Are there better ways to do them? Yes. But a quick slide doesn't take away from the game lol and from what I'm getting, it's openly comparing it to other games as something that is bad? I'm sorry to burst your bubble but:
Haven't played a single Kingdom Hearts game, but pretty sure the entire point that Dunkey was making was that there are so many of the tutorial popups he found it was restricting his ability to play the game, not that any tutorial pop-ups are bad.
There's technique to disseminating information to the player, and having a boatload of pop-ups isn't a good one.
What? You must be a defensive Kingdom Hearts fan, because Dunkey is pretty much the opposite of irritating. Fun jokes, great editing, soothing voice, keeps his videos short and so on ... Nothing to be annoyed by!
While that might be true, it's also arguable that KH3 has a butload of different types of gameplay in a single game, thing that I'm sorry, but the GOAT games like TLOU, BOTW, GOW and such don't do.
So it is hard to find a good way to give the different kinds of information related to each type of gameplay in a way that for example, GOW does where the tutorials appear at the beggining of the game where you're playing, and then never appear again, cuz while the gameplay changes, it's not drastically like KH, where in one moment you're doing ground combat and the next you're in a spaceship.
Dunkey is amazing. One of the few youtubers that delivers content consistently that has me laughing out loud
Not true at all. Both are so bad I think the convolution is part of the appeal. Like it's own genre in Japan