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Virginia's Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax accused of sexual assault in 2004

Surfinn

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Man, so many people really buying into the "Aziz story wasn't a big deal" narrative, when she told him to stop multiple times. Shit's aggravating.
bluepolicebox said:
She was crying and gagging while he held her head in place so he could force himself into her mouth. When was she supposed to say "no" or "stop" in this situation? When he politely paused to ask her consent and allow her to dry her tears before they continued?

We need to do a way, way better job educating boys and men on what counts as consent in this country.
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Taking the accuser's statements into account:

We need to do a better job with education in regard to consent, definitely. But in the context of holding someone down against their will so you can keep getting your dick sucked, while she's sobbing and trying to get away from you but you overpower her, there's gotta be a line crossed for when you've just gotta take full responsibility for the awful shit you've done (that's not a matter of education). No one (being the aggressor/assaulter) in that situation is confused about consent. That is "I just don't give a fuck".
 

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Have any republicans responded to this because if you ignore the initial consent the situation is really similar to Kavanaugh
 
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cloudy said:
How exactly does one defend themselves against allegations like this? All we can say is that she seemingly has no incentive to lie and that’s pretty strong. He should be in jail if she’s telling the truth.

However, does he deserve his reputation destroyed if this was an Aziz Ansari type situation? Unless I misread, her statement doesn’t say she said “no” or “stop” and she never reported him to the authorizes. She just says that she didn’t consent and was in distress.

Not sure what to think about this but it’s a hot mess
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People don’t typically cry during their first sexual encounter with other people
Surfinn said:
Man, so many people really buying into the "Aziz story wasn't a big deal" narrative, when she told him to stop multiple times. Shit's aggravating.

We need to do a better job with education, definitely. But at the point of holding someone down against their will so you can keep getting your dick sucked, while she's trying to get away from you but you overpower her, there's gotta be a line crossed for when you've just gotta take full responsibility for the awful shit you've done. No one in that situation is confused about consent.
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Having spent a lot of time in that original Aziz thread, people intentionally misrepresent victim accounts in the favor of the accused. That person said this was an Aziz situation yet totally failed to mention Dr. Tyson said she was crying.
 
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Deepwater said:
People don’t typically cry during their first sexual encounter with other people


Having spent a lot of time in that original Aziz thread, people intentionally misrepresent victim accounts in the favor of the accused. That person said this was an Aziz situation yet totally failed to mention Dr. Tyson said she was crying.
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I made a long ass post in the Aziz thread that seemed to be largely ignored where she explicitly states multiple times that she told him "no".

But stars that people like jumped to his defense so that's all out the window.
 
bluepolicebox

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Surfinn said:
We need to do a better job with education in regard to consent, definitely. But in the context of holding someone down against their will so you can keep getting your dick sucked, while she's sobbing and trying to get away from you but you overpower her, there's gotta be a line crossed for when you've just gotta take full responsibility for the awful shit you've done (that's not a matter of education). No one (being the aggressor/assaulter) in that situation is confused about consent. That is "I just don't give a fuck".
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Totally agree. I was referring more to the poster I was quoting who said she never explicitly told Fairfax "no" which is absurd in this situation.
 
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Deepwater said:
People don’t typically cry during their first sexual encounter with other people


Having spent a lot of time in that original Aziz thread, people intentionally misrepresent victim accounts in the favor of the accused. That person said this was an Aziz situation yet totally failed to mention Dr. Tyson said she was crying.
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She said she was crying and obviously distressed. He said it was consensual and he sensed nothing wrong. We weren’t there so why should we believe her version of events any more than his? I can’t imagine why she would make it up but it’s quite possible the truth isn’t as black and white....
 
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cloudy said:
She said she was crying and obviously distressed. He said it was consensual and he sensed nothing wrong. We weren’t there so why should we believe her version of events any more than his? I can’t imagine why she would make it up but it’s quite possible the truth isn’t as black and white....
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You do you, but my default is to believe women (or other victims of sexual assault/harassment) in the court of public opinion, until there's verifiable evidence that they're not being honest.

The vast majority of the time, they're telling the truth. It's hard enough being a victim.. going public is another struggle entirely. Part of why victims don't step forward is because they fear not being believed (she says this in her statement).

So that's where I'm at and always will be.
 
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cloudy said:
She said she was crying and obviously distressed. He said it was consensual and he sensed nothing wrong. We weren’t there so why should we believe her version of events any more than his? I can’t imagine why she would make it up but it’s quite possible the truth isn’t as black and white....
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What was your point of making a comparison to Aziz and then immediately following up with “she never says no or stop” if not to muddy the waters over what you felt could be interpreted as non malicious misreading of consent.

Even the most gracious interpretation of Aziz’s story didn’t have crying in it (and simply saying “distressed” is underselling her account). If you’re going to couch your argument in he-said, she-said, at least be honest about what she actually said.
 
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cloudy said:
She said she was crying and obviously distressed. He said it was consensual and he sensed nothing wrong. We weren’t there so why should we believe her version of events any more than his? I can’t imagine why she would make it up but it’s quite possible the truth isn’t as black and white....
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Who benefits more from lying in this situation? Dr. Tyson, a professor who's going to be raked over the coals by people who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into believing a woman, or Lt. Governor Fairfax, whose entire political career is endangered by past actions when he's just a heartbeat away from the governor's mansion in Virginia? It seems like one of these two people has way more to lose than the other.
 
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So now ABC news is reporting that Congressman Bobby Scott of Virginia 3rd district learned of the sexual assault allegation against Fairfax a year ago when the alleged victim herself(Tyson) contacted him.
 
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Deepwater said:
What was your point of making a comparison to Aziz and then immediately following up with “she never says no or stop” if not to muddy the waters over what you felt could be interpreted as non malicious misreading of consent.

Even the most gracious interpretation of Aziz’s story didn’t have crying in it (and simply saying “distressed” is underselling her account). If you’re going to crouch your argument in he-said, she-said, at least be honest about what she actually said.
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It’s “couch your argument.”

Sorry, wasn’t sure if typo or misquote of the phrase.
 
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cloudy said:
She said she was crying and obviously distressed. He said it was consensual and he sensed nothing wrong. We weren’t there so why should we believe her version of events any more than his? I can’t imagine why she would make it up but it’s quite possible the truth isn’t as black and white....
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What does someone of her stature gain by doing this? Regardless, he said they've communicated a lot since then. She says they haven't. He should be able to easily prove it. If he can't, good riddance.
 
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OuterLimits said:
So now ABC news is reporting that Congressman Bobby Scott of Virginia 3rd district learned of the sexual assault allegation against Fairfax a year ago when the alleged victim herself(Tyson) contacted him.
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In this case it's not as bad as the headline suggests, as Scott taking action without Tyson's involvement would have been inappropriate and by the time he learned the specific details, the Post was already working the story.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-bobby-scott-learned-lt-gov-justin-fairfax/story?id=60898781
Aides to Scott confirm to ABC News that Tyson first reached out him in an e-mail on October 20, 2017, expressing that she was "not a fan" of then-candidate for Virginia Lieutenant Governor Justin Fairfax.

In a Nov. 29 email, Tyson expressed her dislike for Fairfax and wrote that she would like to "talk about it," with Congressman Scott.

Aides to Scott maintain that he was not made aware at that point about an alleged sexual assault in 2004 involving Fairfax.

In a text message exchange between Scott and Tyson in December 2017, she informed him that the now-Lieutenant Governor-Elect had a "MeToo allegation," but at the time the congressman did not know that she was the accuser, according to aides.

In late December 2017 and early January 2018, aides to Scott said he learned that it was Tyson herself who was involved in a "MeToo allegation," concerning Fairfax. She also informed him that she had already told the Washington Post about an alleged incident involving Fairfax and that she had given the Post Congressman Scott's name as a character witness.

When pressed by ABC News, aides said they did not know what the congressman did with that information, but that he told Tyson that he agreed to speak with the Washington Post.
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Kirblar said:
In this case it's not as bad as the headline suggests, as Scott taking action without Tyson's involvement would have been inappropriate and by the time he learned the specific details, the Post was already working the story.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-bobby-scott-learned-lt-gov-justin-fairfax/story?id=60898781
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yeah. True.

Whole situation with Northam and Fairfax is such a fucking mess right now.

Northam has lost a ton of support so I'm surprised he is trying to hang on and apparently the National Organization for Women is calling on Fairfax to resign.
 
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KSweeley said:
Do you have another source other than the Washington Examiner?

Reason being I don't trust the Washington Examiner as a source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Examiner
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yeah, it was the only source I could find that had the ad verbum from the presser, although most other
news outlets referred to the 2007 video “proof”. The presser is here and the quote is from 8.03
onwards.
The video in question as confirmed by Dr Tyson is here:
 
Chaos Legion

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Oh, my home state.
This situation is contorting everyone's beliefs.

I refuse to back a rapist, so Northam wins.
 

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Is there any precedent for having all 3 of the folks in a state's line of succession all potentially stepping down in the same month? I'm from IL originally and I thought our governors had issues, oy.
 
Kirblar

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Second accuser has come forward. We now have the insane situation where Northam's ridiculous refusal to resign accidentally prevented an even worse situation. (Fairfax needs to go immediately.)

 

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Jesus, that's insane. I'm glad they have supporting documents so he can't weasel out of it.

Northam still needs to resign.
 
Surfinn

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Ben Jacobs picking it up.

I am, for one, completely shocked that there are multiple accusers

Do we have a green light to believe women now?
 
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Surfinn said:
Do we have a green light to believe women now?
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No, not until women can produce clearly undoctored video evidence from three distinct camera angles, at least two verifiable pieces of DNA evidence, and at least five witnesses able to corroborate the accuser's testimony within 24 hours of the actual transgression taking place.

Otherwise it's just he said/she said.
 
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bluepolicebox said:
No, not until women can produce clearly undoctored video evidence from three distinct camera angles, at least two verifiable pieces of DNA evidence, and at least five witnesses able to corroborate the accuser's testimony within 24 hours of the actual transgression taking place.

Otherwise it's just he said/she said.
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But what if the accused denies it.. strongly? Like a very strongly worded denial?
 
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Weekend update: Looks like Fairfax has no intention of stepping down - but is calling for FBI investigation into the charges

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/09/justin-fairfax-fbi-sexual-assault-1160778

Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax on Saturday called for an FBI investigation into two women’s allegations that he had sexually assaulted them, saying that his interactions with both of the accusers were consensual.

“As an officer of the court and a former federal prosecutor, I have dedicated my life to the law and due process,” Fairfax said in a statement. “Consequently, I call on all appropriate and impartial investigatory authorities, including the FBI, to investigate fully and thoroughly the allegations against me by Ms. Watson and Dr. Tyson. I ask that all three of us be respected during this process.”
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Carolina Reaper

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The takeaway here is if you're involved in a scandal, just do nothing, and in under a week the mainstream media will have moved on to something else. Never hear a word about the governor stepping down anymore.
 
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Weird how we all kinda forgot about this, even here in VA. I hope to god both of their political careers are over after this, not like Northam can run again.
 
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