This seems to wildly vary from person to person. But the greatest impact by far seems to be having fewer children
That is not to say that people should be eating less meat, which they probably should.
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Vox: The diet that helps fight climate change
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This seems to wildly vary from person to person. But the greatest impact by far seems to be having fewer children
That is not to say that people should be eating less meat, which they probably should.
Have you tried seitan? Or things like the beyond burger?
You mean things that are fed in huge quantities to the animals that are then killed for the meat?
On a CO2 per kg protein basis, there's not a significant difference in carbon footprint though, which is my point. Switching out factory farmed beef for grass fed, on a 1 to 1 ratio doesn't significantly reduce your carbon footprint.
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Most of those corn, soy, and wheat fields are being fed to farmed animals, not directly consumed by humans.
Didn't watch the video but from the title I can roughly guess what he proposes.
You simply only eat meat on the weekend. I believe this was/is typical for Germany. Normally you eat bread, noodles, rice and stuff over the week and on the weekend when you have more time you can actually cook some meat and enjoy it with your family. This "stop gap" can help to naturally reduce your meat consumption.
While probably true, we need to eat something in the end. Otherwise we simply die. =x
If I can't buy it in my local grocery store, then I don't care. As far as I know, none of these substitutions taste anything like the real thing.
This is just commenting on diets.
You can do more than one thing on that list. I've been vegan for many years AND I don't have any kids.
I was mostly just responding to the statement that reducing meat consumption was the easiest way, but I agree with you.
Beyond Burger is $12 a pound. Until they can get the cost way down from that it really isn't going to catch on with the majority of people. Also, like just about all of the fake meat products, there's way too much of a reliance on sodium to add flavor.
Nah, I enjoy meat too much to give it up and I'm not sure how much it would actually help. There's still other people buying it even if I don't. I'd rather take walks, bike instead of driving and other stuff to combat climate change.
No offense and more power to you if you do other stuff to combat climate change, but that's not how supply and demand works.
people should have never been eating meat that often anyway. the 12 dollars a pound is probably lower then the real cost to the world beef has.
This is fine and well in the short term but isn't a long term solution.
The land it would take for everyone on the planet to eat only "locally sourced" and "free range" meat would be several Earths over. Gross, wasteful industrialisation is the only way to meet global demand - and it still requires chopping down all the rainforest.
The real solution is to eat less (ie once a week or month) or no meat.
Sure, if you and your descendants never existed, you'd be saving quite a bit in greenhouse gas emissions. Hey, if you could go back in time and kill your great-grandparents before they reproduced, you could save even more in emissions!
What better way to reduce our environmental footprint?
The meat industry does more damage than cars and traffic combined IIRC.
You don't need to quit eating it entirely. Just eat it far less frequently. It doesn't need to be eaten every day. And we're reaching a point where almost equally good alternatives are readily available if you're in a city.
Tongue in cheek true, but still. =P
Simply don't know what else humanity could eat that doesn't have any damage to the world round us. Especially if it also should taste kinda "okay" at least.
Not really sure why you're being dismissive, but if your goal is to reduce your impact, having less kids is going to outweigh anything else you can do.
The main problem with a lot of these diet advice articles is they go from 0 to 100 quicker than you can snap your fingers. Advising on a balanced diet is always the way you'll get people to listen/potentially make small changes. Jumping right to not eating meat, or browbeating meat eaters by laying the climate change problems of the world on their shoulders is often just going to get sarcasm, ridicule and mockery thrown back.
To be honest, the sooner we can grow meat in the lab the better.
Soy seems to have some sort of troll pushback on the internet right now. You look online and the "soy boy diet" gets mocked
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...far-right-men-masculinity-women-a8027816.html
Gotta love the internet.
To be honest, the sooner we can grow meat in the lab the better.
Soy seems to have some sort of troll pushback on the internet right now. You look online and the "soy boy diet" gets mocked
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...far-right-men-masculinity-women-a8027816.html
Gotta love the internet.
I became a vegetarian about 4 months ago and it's becoming easier to do. I cheated eating meat a few times in the first few weeks, but I've been able to avoid meat altogether for 3 months now.
Honestly, I don't find my grocery bill to be any more expensive than when I was eating meat, but I was avoiding fast food most of the time.
Honestly, I don't find my grocery bill to be any more expensive than when I was eating meat, but I was avoiding fast food most of the time.
Woah. I eat primarily plant based and I try to mostly avoid soy unless fermented. Instant pot makes vegan dishes easy. It's a cheap diet if you buy bulk lentils, quinoa and other grains. It is fun and fulfilling to make homemade food from several countries. I only eat stuff like beyond burgers if I have a craving for it. I love the flavor and I buy them when on sale plus coupons. It's still processed so it isn't healthy to eat it every day.
Oops, I eat some kind of meat every day for my whole life. I tried a vegetarian diet for a week, it was pretty tough. I don't think there are enough resources to help people easily adopt these kinds of diet changes without spending hours upon hours of researching diets and food plans.
I mean if you have trouble going vegetarian for even a week.... sometimes I'll go days of being vegetarian by accident.
There is really no good reason to go full diet for climate change reasons.
Switching out beef and lamb to chicken, pork and fish gets you 75% of the CO2 reduction of going full vegan. It's possible to live a life where you help reduce your impact, without having to live with a joyless diet
Switching out beef and lamb to chicken, pork and fish gets you 75% of the CO2 reduction of going full vegan. It's possible to live a life where you help reduce your impact, without having to live with a joyless diet
Cornell once did a study that all the grain the US feeds to livestock could support 800 million people.
so other people can do that, and I will continue to eat responsibly sourced meat. win win.
It's possible but super, super hard and expensive.
... But surely saving the planet is more important than gaining mass? Like you'll probably be dead within 70 years either way.
And every lone else will say the same thing, and continue to eat "responsibly sourced meat" (which basically doesn't exist, as I explained), and in 50 years we'll live in a climate change dystopia where maybe your children or grand children can't survive.
Yep, it's truth that beef is the absolute worst and you can do a lot of good just cutting that out.There is really no good reason to go full diet for climate change reasons.
Switching out beef and lamb to chicken, pork and fish gets you 75% of the CO2 reduction of going full vegan. It's possible to live a life where you help reduce your impact, without having to live with a joyless diet
That said, if everyone stopped eating beef but kept eating other meats there'd just be a shift in columns on that graph - meat is still incredibly inefficient.
Wait people adapt their diets to fight climate change??
I mean i applaud people trying to save the planet and all, but arent emissions from diets a tiny insignificant drop in the bucket? Even if 100.000 people would do that?
I mean i applaud people trying to save the planet and all, but arent emissions from diets a tiny insignificant drop in the bucket? Even if 100.000 people would do that?
I've done it but it's definitely not easy. But it's very easy on a vegetarian diet or simply cutting back on meat.
I had started doing meatless Mondays a while back, in large part to do my part against climate change and within 3 years i switched to a completely vegan diet. It was honestly a lot easier than I would have expected and I was a hardcore meat eater when i started.
What makes it expensive? Just eat a calorie surplus and enough protein (tons of beans, peanut butter, and 2/3 scoops of protein powder will do the trick).
you didn't explain it not existing. You implied that it's not feasible to feed our entire population meat like that. Those are two different things. I typically pay ~$13/pound for beef for a quarter or half steer. That is not feasible for most. And because you can't ramp up production of such beef, there really isn't a way to drive that price down (short of where we are already at with mass market beef). Thus equilibrium is maintained. The lack of land and available man power (farmers) already constrains supply well below demand.. and there is no way to realistically increase supply... thus if demand goes up, so does price.
and I'm fine with that. Eventually plant based meat substitutes that don't taste like shit will come down to a price where we can feed the masses with them... and I will continue buying pasture raised quarter or half steers for $13/lb.. or $15/pound. or $20/pound.. etc until I can't feasibly afford to do so.
edit - also people pointing to beans and such as significant sources of protein.. I mean.. there are issues present there with both lack of specific nutrients as well as a variety of anti-nutrients that give our bodies trouble. beans are FAR from some miracle protein that some places try to make them appear.
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This. Not only will you be losing weight and mitigate obesity, which is becoming a major problem in most of the world, but also doing good for the environment.
All the recipes I know have some kind of animal protein. I don't make sandwiches without deli meat for lunches 99% of the time... the best I can do is PB&J.
meat is almost certainly not the cause of significant excess weight or obesity. eat 800 calories of beef and separately 800 calories of donuts and tell me how you feel after each. 800 calories of beef and you probably won't be able to even look at another bite. 800 calories of donuts is.... like.. 2 donuts? obesity comes from maintaining a diet primarily consisting of foods that inhibit the sense of satiation. protein and fats don't typically cause that.
edit - changed prolong to inhibit... mixed up my usage.
90% of fish stocks are either full (hit equilibrium) or over fished
You're right in what you're saying, that all excess food is bad but sugary foods like donuts are likely to have twice as much (or more) calories in the same amount they consume meat, and it helps that meat has a lot of protein. But if people's diet mostly consists of meat, then it's a direct factor for excess weight and even obesity. Know that vegan diets make you feel full early and discourage binge eating. Obesity is still a problem, and if climate change encourages them to adapt to a healthier diet, then great.
That's true but when you walk into the store and one option is $12 a pound and the other is half that you know what choice most people are going to make environment and ethics be damned (if they even care about those issues to begin with).
Personally, even beef has gotten way too expensive and it's really rare that I buy it - less than a handful of times a year. Plus I don't like how the cows are treated and it's horrible for the environment. I have cut way back on meat altogether, especially since my kids don't want it that much anymore.
in theory yes... however diets (like paleo or primal) that are lower carb by definition cause the body to regulate calories much more naturally making it very difficult to become overweight. it is EXTREMELY difficult to overeat in well balanced lower carb diets (i.e. no grains, legumes, or sugars). I mean you can pervert such diets (high omega-6 fat content, tons of "paleo" sugar, etc).. but fresh meat and veggies with some nuts, etc.. is very hard to become overweight on... despite large amounts of meat/protein. (well actually because of that)
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This video is less about veganism(because most people already know that going vegan is best for the environment) and more about the fact that a Mediterranean diet also works very well in terms of lower carbon emissions(which is good for people like me to know because i still want to eat meat).
At least that's how I took the video.
At least that's how I took the video.
