If parenting is done correctly wouldn't that kid feel loved and accepted and not have a need to find acceptance outside the home?
We'll have to agree to disagree completely; as I'd argue a good family that loves and supports one another - IS a shield, or safety net from the negative influences that come into a person's life. Knowing that you can just "come home" regardless of age, or wrong turns is more powerful than any government, social group, or gang/party. We've lost this fundamental understanding of providing forgiveness when others have wronged us. Forgive but don't forget.
I'm not saying accept someone's rights to harm others and it's okay because it's "family". I'm not talking about the mob. I'm talking about a mother and father providing an environment for a child that cultivates a well adjusted human being. Unconditional love. Education, compassion, understanding, guidance, a moral compass, accountability, discipline, goals, self reliance, proper hygiene, love others as self and general acceptance of those that differ from you if they mean you or your loved ones no harm.These characteristics should be the foundation for society. Yet mostly they are not.
Instead we have children raised by daycare's, television, movies and games. Parents have become either too lazy or too stretched to have the effort or time required to meet needs that society is obviously lacking. We've let corporations into our schools, we don't value honesty anymore, we live in a world of participation awards, and telling every single kid their special, and not preparing them for the reality of life if they discover their not. It's okay. Not everyone is going to be Michael Jordan or Einstein. Can they be if they try, maybe. But will these kids know that they are loved and accepted if they don't achieve those levels of success or does that frustration of not measuring up turn into a justification to kill?
I am having difficulty resisting the temptation to ask how old you are, because your posts in this thread are coming off as unbelievably naive.
You keep making allusions to how society today is failing morally, and you keep couching it in phrasing that suggests we've "lost" better qualities and therefore were better at these things in the past.
Which is completely and totally false, as known by anyone who actually cares to look up statistics on world progress.
We don't have children raised via proxy. Parents are more involved with their children than ever in history. It was only a few years ago you constantly heard about "helicopter parenting."
The amount of time parents spend with their children continues to go up. Fathers have nearly tripled their time with children since 1965. Mothers' time with children has also increased, and today's mothers spend more time with their children than mothers did in the 1960s. There is still a large gender gap in time spent with children: Mothers spend about twice as much time with their children as fathers do (13.5 hours per week for mothers in 2011, compared with 7.3 hours for fathers).
Have you ever actually raised children? Or been heavily involved with doing so, such as working in a daycare? Because your discussion about environment is astronomically heavily weighted on the parents, while completely ignoring the things parents can't control, e.g. genetics and cultural environment. People can be depressed and looking elsewhere for support in even the happiest family, and then fall victim to radicalization. Kids can end up fighting with their parents in even the happiest family. Psychopathy and sadism can exist in children. Kids run away over frivolous shit because their life experience is so limited that they have no perspective. That lack of perspective is literally what makes them so easy to radicalize.
A loving and supportive family absolutely is a shield against radicalization, but there are an infinite number of variables that keep it from being immune to failure. Arguing that that's all it takes to avoid radicalization is incredibly rose-tinted.
I'd argue that a lot of the qualities in your list--education, guidance, morals, accountability, value of human life--literally
are the foundation of most societies, given that similar lists are written into most democratic nations' constitutions and their justice systems. Regardless of how frustratingly often they screw it up, justice systems do attempt to represent these things (with miscarriages of justice sometimes coming down to conflicting definitions of what those qualities actually mean
in practice, and being interpreted through biases). Violence of nearly every kind is vastly more common in stateless societies.
Also, here's some more parenting data from Pew Research:
So yes, actually, people do value moral qualities and try to instill them in their children.
But will these kids know that they are loved and accepted if they don't achieve those levels of success or does that frustration of not measuring up turn into a justification to kill?
I'm going to draw your attention to how much lower "ambitious" is than "honest and ethical" in that graph. So no, the "frustration of not measuring up" doesn't seem to be the problem either, or at least it's not a problem that the parents are instilling en masse.
Finally, I need to state that
nearly every single thing people learn via cultural osmosis about the current state of the world versus how it was in the past is complete and total bullshit. Which I am bringing up because your posts are very, very clearly informed by that same vague cultural osmosis that's based on feelings and nostalgia and not actual data. If you want to blame radicalization on society's current moral failures, you should really find out
what those actually are first. Because they are, frustratingly, not anything you've been blaming or listing.