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Want AAA Games? Embrace Crunch, Reject Unions!
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If something can only exist on the back of exploited workers and the risk of their health, it should not exist then
I continue to forget that Jaffe at some point turned into a ranty Youtuber complete with a wall full of game/comic stuff right behind him.
Imagine making this video and thinking that the conclusion should be that we need to save AAA games.
"Let AAA die, kill it if you have to" - Dumbledore (LoTR franchise)
His point of why unions will never work in video games is because most devs are easily replaceable by outsourcing their work overseas (he says he's pro-union and anti-crunch in the video). I wonder if that's actually true, and whether you can get the same quality from overseas (especially when it comes to stuff like writing for big dev like Naughty Dog or CDPR who are known to crunch).
Jaffe doesn't know what he's talking about, but that's nothing new. AAA games can be made perfectly fine without crunch, it's just that the companies that are able to make games at that scale are usually the ones most willing to throw employees into the endless death march.
Nobody really needs AAA games. They pretty much exists to justify new consoles.
The times of meaningful technical progress in video games are long gone. PS1 -> PS2 was likely the last time where the leap felt really big.
Doesn't mean AA or indie stuff are saved from crunch tho, but their case are probably more a matter of management rather than enormous monuments that games like RDR2 are.
The times of meaningful technical progress in video games are long gone. PS1 -> PS2 was likely the last time where the leap felt really big.
Doesn't mean AA or indie stuff are saved from crunch tho, but their case are probably more a matter of management rather than enormous monuments that games like RDR2 are.
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He is not pro cunch and unions but according to him, if you want to make AAA games, crunching is a necessity and you have to deal with.
Welp, didn't know about that, so i guess mod can kill the thread asap
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Eh, "If you want to make business and games in the AAA industry, crunch is a necessity" and Cory liking the thing is not that surprising.
Santa Monica is known for crunch.
AAA game development is in a weird place. The games take much longer to produce than they used to even with crunch and are really expensive. Costs would rise even more without crunch since they would take even longer to make.
Someone is going to have to come up with a better solution because the course they're on just isn't sustainable.
Someone is going to have to come up with a better solution because the course they're on just isn't sustainable.
I'm also in the "if this is what it costs, then get rid of AAA games" crowd too.
It's also funny that some teams can craft some gorgeous games (albeit not massive ones) with tiny teams. Shin'en are probably among the finest at this. With games like Fast RMX and The Touryst on Switch, and prior games, they've made a name in creating some top hardware-pushing stuff, while only having like less than 10 people. Yeah not every company is Shin'en, but I think they're a symbol of what we need to see more of IMO.
It's also funny that some teams can craft some gorgeous games (albeit not massive ones) with tiny teams. Shin'en are probably among the finest at this. With games like Fast RMX and The Touryst on Switch, and prior games, they've made a name in creating some top hardware-pushing stuff, while only having like less than 10 people. Yeah not every company is Shin'en, but I think they're a symbol of what we need to see more of IMO.
Santa Monica is a giant crunch factory. Not surprising.
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All AAA games and studios are already outsourcing a lot of game development elsewhere.
yeah i'm good man. I think too many games come out anyway. so, screw crunch. embrace the worker. i'm alright if bobby Kotick loses some income
I would imagine some of the more specialized work - animations, lighting, fx, etc. (and other things i'm not thinking about) - would be stuff that would be hard to find overseas. The world has many English writers starved for work
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All of these things are outsourced and it's not hard to find oversease.
Fucking amazing.
Who would have expected this from the genius behind Drawn to Death?
huh, I mean, there has to be something specialized that they can't find overseas. that's my point. idk what is tough to do vs not do.
