It will be interesting to see if this moves the needle. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of AOC's base was already supporting Bernie.
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WaPo: AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders for President
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I highly recommend reading Corey Robin on this. chalking it up to naivete is giving him way too much credit
Would only help Biden still imo. As awesome a president as Sanders would make, America clearly doesn't want him. He gets loyal support but for two elections now, he has shown he can't grow his support.
There's obvious overlap but this should be pretty big. Her SM echoing Bernie alone will be huge. 5.5m followers (Or rather whatever percent of her/any follower number is real) is no joke.
Just because you, like, say this, doesn't mean it's true.
Understandable. Though I'd imagine people who really admire AOC are still sticking with their votes to their progressive candidate of choice.
I'd also imagine her support would be polarizing to people who weren't going to vote for Bernie regardless.
Even though Bernie isn't my top choice at the moment, I hope her support drives the other candidates to adopt even more progressive stances to make themselves stand out more.
I'd also imagine her support would be polarizing to people who weren't going to vote for Bernie regardless.
Even though Bernie isn't my top choice at the moment, I hope her support drives the other candidates to adopt even more progressive stances to make themselves stand out more.
He was entirely bought out by big banks, Wall Street, and big media/tech. He fucking ordered drone strikes on children countless times, he didn't close Gitmo. Your hero worship of Obama is misplaced.
I was calling him naive. Have you ever known me to hero worship ANYONE?
Harris knows this all too well. :(
Speaking for myself it's because his stance on guns is to the right of every other real contender in the field.
Takes like this really make white liberalism's support for diversity seem like nothing but a self pat on the back for optics. And if you read the subtext of it, it really seems like the implication is that she expects that all women and POC should or do think alike?
Seems kind of patronizing and maybe a bit racist.
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never?
how did people feel about Martin O'Malley's chances at this point in the 2016 cycle?
It's basically the "more women guards" tweet. It's tokenism
in the case of Omar and Tlaib in particular, if Warren wanted their endorsement so badly, she probably shouldn't have copied and pasted the Obama adminstration's Israel/Palestine policy
Weren't there only three people running in 2016 and not this clown car we got?
I got you now, sorry. But I think I'm more cynical. He was definitely naive to think that the GOP would work with him in any way, but Obama perpetuated systematic privilege and inequality, perhaps because he successfully negotiated his way through those systems himself? Obama, for all his political talent and personal charisma, was such a missed opportunity. That's how I look at his presidency now. If we could get a leftist with those gifts, but who had principles and was willing to fight, that's the dream. That's why, in part, people are so excited about AOC, right?
That's just embarrassing. That person should feel bad.
Either they're supporting Bernie already, or they won't move to him just because she gave her blessing. Probably not much influence.
Can't really use # of followers as a metric, considering Cardi B already came out for Bernie, lol.
A lot of liberals feel that identity should override everything. They don't take an intersectional view of things.
Agreed. And this manifests into incredibly condescending takes like the tweet at hand.
It's very condescending and annoying. The way these liberals come at shit like this, I gotta vote for either Kamala or Buttigieg since they share parts of my identity.
I will say, however, if two candidates are equal, I will go for the more diverse option.
Likely because Warren is ahead of Sanders, so the logic is if Sanders stepped aside it would certainly push Warren over the top of Biden. If Warren stepped aside for Sanders, the same thing might happen, but Warren is in the lead right now, so people feel Sanders should step aside for her. I imagine other people would be making the same arguments if it was Sanders leading over Warren right now.
I don't actually think this pushes any numbers, but the train of thought is:
Warren is in the lead. If Sanders takes 2% or so of Warren's numbers away from her, Biden regains the lead. Sanders remains in third place.
Bernie is gonna go down as one of the most influential politicians from this era even if he loses the nomination.
Shocking - utterly shocking - that two socialists and someone who Bernie immediately stood up for when she was under attack would support him.
very much so. I still think he probably won't win the nomination, but as his detractors point out, he's old and it's good that there's a younger crop of legislators willing to put their principles ahead of being liked by people in power
That's because the PLCAA was a signature piece of a legislation for Bernie that ADDED protections for the gun industry. It didn't take them away. The PLCAA was a high priority for the NRA when introduced and it was touted by the NRA as "a historic piece of legislation" when passed.
The PLCAA acts as a massive liability shield for the industry. One that other industries don't, and have never, had. Tobacco lawsuits, opioid lawsuits, motor vehicle lawsuits -- if a similar shield law existed for those industries, none of the fundamental changes that came about due to lawsuits would have ever happened.
The precedent set here is that the gun industry doesn't have to play by the same rules as the rest of the industry because politicians are willing to cover for it at the behest of the NRA.
Unless Bernie comes out and commits to a concerted effort to repeal the PLCAA, he does not, and cannot, have any legitimate claim to being pro gun reform.
Bernie was leading Warren for the first several months but I didn't hear the same sentiments for whatever percentage Warren had at the time. I get she is in the lead now, but is there any particular reason why at this exact time with so much left in the primary is this sentiment only now being shared?
Could be a combo of factors: closer to election, people dislike Bernie more and want him to drop out, Biden entering the race/polling high, etc.
This is an honest answer. It just feels like people pivot straight to him dropping just because. There is plenty of fight left and obviously the squad does as well so I'm not going to say for either to throw in the towel especially when both Warren and Bernie is still polling top 3. Biden on the other hand..
Some people are always going to be lowest common denominator and treat politics like sport.
We've already seen multiple calls for Warren to drop out, as well as Bernie, so it's not something that is unique to either side.
Personally, as long as they end up supporting the eventual nominee against Trump, let them ride. The only reason to call for someone else to drop out at this point is because you're afraid that they'll end up winning the nomination instead not your favored candidate.
That says more about the person someone is asking to drop out than it does about their favored candidate.
We've already seen multiple calls for Warren to drop out, as well as Bernie, so it's not something that is unique to either side.
Personally, as long as they end up supporting the eventual nominee against Trump, let them ride. The only reason to call for someone else to drop out at this point is because you're afraid that they'll end up winning the nomination instead not your favored candidate.
That says more about the person someone is asking to drop out than it does about their favored candidate.
This makes sense from AOC since IIRC she supported him in 2016, but why drop the endorsement news now? I don't quite understand the timing and I thought she might at least leave the door open for Warren.
Timing makes perfect sense. Sanders has been dipping in the polls, and recently had a heart attack. If he wants to shake things up this would be the best time to do so. Try and use this time to relaunch his campaign.
tbh I don't think anyone is genuinely arguing for Warren to drop out, as opposed to mocking calls from Warren supporters for Bernie to do so. possible I missed someone with that bad take though
The timing makes perfect sense if you consider she never was going to consider Warren and was always going to endorse Bernie. Bernards at a nadir, and shes using her name and endorsement to boost him. Hes had her back repeatedly when nobody else did, and she was a Bernard Brother volunteering for his campaign in 2016 even before she was in Congress. Believing shed endorse Warren has always seemed like a pipe dream thatd never happen unless Bernie completely fell apart before Iowa.
Yeah, this. I said way back in, like, January that I'd vote for whichever of Sanders or Warren is more likely to win the nomination by the time Indiana primaries roll around. I want one of them to win, and don't want any of the others. Early on, I thought this would mean me voting Sanders because Warren was at single digits. But it's become very clear in the last several months that Warren has a much, much easier path to the nomination, so I'm backing her.
As far as which would be a better president, I would be soooooo fucking happy with either of them, but I give Warren the edge domestically (almost entirely because of Sanders fucking idiotic position on the filibuster), and Sanders the edge on foreign policy (he really struggled here in 2016, but has clearly done some homework since then and now has the most consistent and ethical FP in the race by far).
But then, I have more confidence in Warren's actual administrative/staffing decisions, and she's almost a whole decade younger than Bernie. It's not fucking ageist to be concerned about the president having more than a 1 in 4 chance of dying in his first term, especially after the heart attack. Incumbency advantage is a huge thing to just throw away like that, and I literally cannot imagine Bernie completing 2 terms. I'm skeptical he'd survive one, and if he did I'm not even sure he'd be able to run again. I already feel uneasy voting for someone who will be 70 starting her first term, let alone fucking 80. Especially since I legit have no idea who he might pick as VP. For all I know, it'd be fucking Tulsi. And considering his hit or miss history on staffing/surrogates, I'm not inclined to take that risk.
It's really an indictment of the how the party has operated for the last several decades that the only real progressive options are either 70+, or too young to run. I really wish that the squad had saved an endorsement until the field had narrowed more and we had a more clear picture of the final two. If this does end up helping Biden skate by to the nomination, I'd be a little upset, but I'm really hoping/thinking that won't be the case.