But they'll be released once the trial/hearing happens. That's the big difference. Maybe this is a lost in translation thing because I'm from Germany and obviously "concentration camp" has a very specific meaning here.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
[WaPo] Immigrant girl hides in auto shop after escaping Florida detention facility, gets turned in
- Thread starter Novel Mike
- Start date
But they'll be released once the trial/hearing happens. That's the big difference. Maybe this is a lost in translation thing because I'm from Germany and obviously "concentration camp" has a very specific meaning here.
What are Cubans going to do when conservatives start questioning the legality of their immigration. I know this won't happen as a large majority are guaranteed votes but why do they think they're special? They're just as brown as the others they look down on.
Or argued that Schindler was breaking the law if he would have been caught.
Civil disobedience during times like these is more important than upholding laws that are simply wrong.
AHD:
Merriam-Webster:
Dictionary.com:
So a confined, closed off camp for locking people up who haven't had a trial, often people belonging to a specific minority. Hmm, yeah what a mystery.
I think it's the same guy who started a topic asking the same fucking question, some people just don't fucking learn.
Internment camp would be the more common name, but concentration camp is correct too. Sometimes it refers to someplace like the Nazi death camps, but not always. The Nazi camps were still concentration camps without knowing about the mass killings or slave labor.
"a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution."
Laws are not moral, they might be, but they are simply rules decided by those in power. We hope our laws are just, but history has shown that fairly often, laws are unjust.
When your point of reference in your own country for the term is putting people in ovens, I don't think being confused about that is all that unreasonable. At least until being clearly corrected.
Seriously sounds like she's been sexually assaulted and molested.
Just so people understand where I come from, here's the official German definition (translated by DeepL).
1. (National Socialist) (at the time of National Socialist rule) camp in which opponents of the National Socialist regime and members of inferior peoples and other undesirable groups of people are cruelly imprisoned in inhuman conditions (and murdered in large numbers)
2. a mass camp (in contravention of the Geneva Convention) combining elements of the labour camp, detention camp, prisoner of war camp, prison and ghetto (mainly used in 20th century dictatorships to suppress the opposition)
It's important to clarify that even the first of those didn't initially start out as death camps. Not that they cared about people surviving the experience before, but actual mass extermination was a later decision. By then, the use of camps had been normalized.
When arguments regarding human tragedies devolve into debates over definitions, it's safe to say the discussion about right and wrong have ended and moved into semantics.
As a Mexican American myself, if there's anything I loath more than trump and his idiotic supporters, it's latino/Mexican American trump supporters. May I ask where in he US do you know these MexAmer?
My thinking as to why this attitude is not uncommon among Latin Americans in the US is because in Latin America there is a idealization or desire to "become white". Since most people think of Americans as white, there's sort of a subconscious desire to be accepted by them.
So when you see these people who come from poor countries, illegal, asylum seekers, or legally, and "make it" in America (house, car, career, etc.) it goes to that "fuck you got mine mentality, I'm one of the good ones"
I think it has to be understood that in Latin America (I could probably just say for Mexico, as an example), there's an internalized form of racism within the society that teaches Brown people that they are inherently stupid, uneducated, uncivilized, and ugly. So when they come to this country and live the American dream, they hate on the brown people living in the Latin American because they haven't elevated themselves.
Which is entirely the goal of those starting these arguments
User banned (5 days): downplaying the abuse of children and the separation from their parents
There are different levels of human tragedy though. Being in a child detention center and waiting for your/your parent's asylum hearing is not the same as doing slave labor and getting gassed in concentration camps. Conflating the two diminishes the tragedy of the latter imo.
Sadly, this isn't even a new tactic. The British played this game with their colonies for GENERATIONS. Just ask anyone from Hong Kong, India, or Southeast Asia that grew up with a colonial cultural influence hanging over them.
Do you? Or you just wanna go into the semantics bullshit merry go round?
No. This argument is made under false pretenses. I don't believe you.
I think that once you get into the realm of human suffering imposed by separating children from their families and leaving them in captivity, the battle between "terrible" and "most terrible" is really just semantics.
If I had been a person who was put in a concentration camps during the Holocaust, I might not have known what was happening until it was too late.
Now that we know that we (probably) won't be killing these people, at least directly, it is at least somewhat useful to recognize what it looks like. Human beings rely on symbols or images, of patterns and systems.
Americans in particular are largely ignorant of any history that did not benefit them directly, so take some solace in the idea that this one comparison stuck. After all, it is the one tragedy in human history that is agreed by most every government as the one you should remember.
Now, if someone or something is on the receiving end of being called a Nazi, or being told they put someone in concentration camps, that is not something for which you commit without examination.
We have taken children from their parents' arms, taken the rights normally afforded to our own citizens, subjected them to the abuses of both adults and other children that might not have occurred otherwise, and shown little sign that these things will get better. This is a losing situation for these children and we are stigmatizing millions of immigrants for the sake of a political argument. Our government has used propaganda to spread the message that although we may care, the law should be able to do what it wants to people who were not born in this country. Where we were only very warm on the issue before, the last several months has intentionally developed a white-hot hatred in certain Americans of other human beings not born in this country. They don't care why they're coming over here. They just see them and their status and their skin color and want them gone.
Now I don't know what that sounds like to you, but history books don't have a section for the the things people wisely recognized before they happened. Any decent person, whether they endured the worst atrocities imaginable recognizes the cries of innocent children are a worldwide problem that transcends time and borders.
If you wanted to call me a Nazi for the rest of my life, I would gladly trade that for knowing one of those hundreds of children was safe and happy for the rest of theirs.
If I had been a person who was put in a concentration camps during the Holocaust, I might not have known what was happening until it was too late.
Now that we know that we (probably) won't be killing these people, at least directly, it is at least somewhat useful to recognize what it looks like. Human beings rely on symbols or images, of patterns and systems.
Americans in particular are largely ignorant of any history that did not benefit them directly, so take some solace in the idea that this one comparison stuck. After all, it is the one tragedy in human history that is agreed by most every government as the one you should remember.
Now, if someone or something is on the receiving end of being called a Nazi, or being told they put someone in concentration camps, that is not something for which you commit without examination.
We have taken children from their parents' arms, taken the rights normally afforded to our own citizens, subjected them to the abuses of both adults and other children that might not have occurred otherwise, and shown little sign that these things will get better. This is a losing situation for these children and we are stigmatizing millions of immigrants for the sake of a political argument. Our government has used propaganda to spread the message that although we may care, the law should be able to do what it wants to people who were not born in this country. Where we were only very warm on the issue before, the last several months has intentionally developed a white-hot hatred in certain Americans of other human beings not born in this country. They don't care why they're coming over here. They just see them and their status and their skin color and want them gone.
Now I don't know what that sounds like to you, but history books don't have a section for the the things people wisely recognized before they happened. Any decent person, whether they endured the worst atrocities imaginable recognizes the cries of innocent children are a worldwide problem that transcends time and borders.
If you wanted to call me a Nazi for the rest of my life, I would gladly trade that for knowing one of those hundreds of children was safe and happy for the rest of theirs.