Breaking news coming from WaPo that Rep. Conyers has retired effective Tuesday, December 5th: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...breaking-news&pushid=5a26bb73edb3621d00000092
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WaPo: Rep. John Conyers Jr., who faces allegations of sexual harassment, retires December 5th
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Only if it can be secured by another Dem. Not saying that Franken should pull a Roy Moore but we really need to hold every seat we can and just being the "moral victors" isnt going to cut it anymore when fighting an opposition of literal pedophiles and criminals.
Obviously he did many great things but his legacy is indeed tarnished. My cousin met him about 20 years ago and he made sexually inappropriate comments to her in his office. Side note: she also met John Dingell and said he was great.
It's much more likely that Franken resigns and is replaced by a dem then Franken/the party does nothing and a Republican doesn't oust him in his re-election.
Good, the trash gotta go.
He would be. TBH, I think he should go through an inquiry first and then resign. The more this gets brought to light the better.
No. It's wrong, you know it's wrong, everyone does. Ethics matter.
Shouldn't even be a question.
Franken's up in 2020. I doubt a Dem would lose his seat in an election year (provided the idiot doesn't run of course).
"When they go low, we go high."
There really isn't a way to combat scumbaggery unless you're willing to be more of a scumbag.
I have no qualms condoning violence against people like these.
Oh democrats, when will you learn?
The path to success is deny, deny, deny, and running the most despicable people. You just got to own it. America loves it. Soon to be proven again by Roy Moore.
The path to success is deny, deny, deny, and running the most despicable people. You just got to own it. America loves it. Soon to be proven again by Roy Moore.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/s...ill-remain-vacant-n828076?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Edit: What ever the spin is from governor I can't, but think this move is purely political and meant to boost GOP's majority
This is how wars are won.
Bet the democrats didn't know a Civil Cold War was continuing under their upturned noses.
It's obviously a political move, but Dems are vastly outnumbered in the house anyway so what's one more.
These people should go but if dems think this "moral victory" will earn them any political capital, they are sorely mistaken. It will make them look weaker. Repubs will point out all the dems having to resign over misconduct and how none of their members have to do that.
This will happen to some degree but I think it's irrational to believe the optics aren't worse for democrats if they don't go.
On the other hand Dems can point out how the GOP tolerates sexual predators and pedophiles, while the Dems don't. We don't know how public perception of all these scandals will play out until the elections. I personally think the Dems are making the right moves and it will benefit them in the long run.
Not really. If Franken and the like keep their jobs, then the status quo of "both sides are shit" remains and business goes on as usual.
Now what will these low information people think? "Oh, I guess the dems were even worse. Look at all their people resigning. Trump 2020 let's make america great!" These people don't look at anything beyond the headline. And it's more often the Fox news headline they're seeing.
The right is stupid, but not a monolith.
There are plenty of people on the right who are disgusted by people like Moore. Maybe the sum of everything including Moore moves them to vote Dem or abstain. Maybe it doesnt. Maybe the Dems stepping down makes that voter look even more unfavorably on the GOP, maybe it doesn't.
But what I do know is that by not stepping down, they WILL absolutely, unambiguously be giving moral cover to the GOP. That will make it easier for more voters to excuse people like Moore so they can continue voting R. It WILL NOT win anyone over to the dems, from the right or anywhere else. It WILL suppress the dem vote, if not make people switch parties entirely. It WILL fuel the belief that you can just deny any allegations against a politician if you don't want them to be true.
And most important of all, if Democrats really stand behind any of their beliefs, excusing this behavior is unacceptable regardless of political consequences.
Also the current status quo, specifically the perception of the American voter, is not something the Dems want to stay the way it is. The "both sides" shit hurts the good guys and helps the bad guys, naturally.