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WaPo: Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to hide details of talks with Putin, such as taking interpreter’s notes, U.S. officials say
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First off Pence would have to deal with both the transition and a Democrat House of Representatives, he wouldn't be able to get anything done by the end of the term which would be less than 2 years
Second I'm tired of hearing Pence would be worse, Trump has caused the largest shutdown in our governments history, mismanaged natural disasters worse then any president, and has done a huge job in normalizing racism.
Exactly. The GOP has been complacent throughout this entire debacle. Disgusting.
Of course it could be him having learned behaviour from hiding evidence over the years but it could be an anxiety thing too.
A guy I worked with used to sneakily tear bits of paper and chew on them. I never saw him spit it out and he would continually tear more and more so I assume he was eating it too.
Melanie is a strange one. She has looked scared like his inauguration with the smile when he turns around but other times she swipes his hand away in public which I imagine she wouldn't ever think of doing if he was that abusive. Either a dynamic has changed that she has power over him, proof of something so he doesn't step out of line. It's odd.
First, as I said, the old guard of Dems are all about respectability rather than policy. As long as Pence doesn't act like a child, I can see them bendi- excuse me, "compromising" with him and the Senate.
Second... The thing is I doubt Pence would stop the further normalization of racism, ESPECIALLY against brown people, given his Evangelical roots, but perhaps he wouldn't. He definitely would, however, not stop the current trajectory of ICE and immigration policy as it is under Trump. He would also further normalize other forms of bigotry in misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia. I also feel like no Republican would've treated the crisis in PR any differently. The only reason Bush handled Katrina at all is because a lot of his base was located there. These people just don't care about anyone outside of themselves.
You have a good point about the shutdown, that's truly a tantrum move. So in that aspect, yes, Trump is worse.
I hope that I am incorrect about all of this though and if Trump goes down and Pence doesn't that things will actually be marginally better, but I have my suspicions.
Ford is the best case scenario for the rest of Pence's career.
If this exact scenario had been depicted in a movie, the audience would be rolling their eyes, yelling at the screen at how obviously compromised the president is, but no one around him is acknowledging or doing anything about it. It would be seen as implausible, ridiculous and insulting to the audience's intelligence.
And yet, over two years in, here we are. Jesus. I hope the time for consequences is near.
And yet, over two years in, here we are. Jesus. I hope the time for consequences is near.
Best case scenario for Trump is he's a useful idiot being played and only half of his administration goes down in flames. The fact this is the best case scenario was nuts only a year ago.
The thing is Trump has created a cult that takes any negative information about him as "Fake News", if Trump gets arrested there should be a number of them realizing that they've been misinformed and tricked into worshipping an actual traitor, these are people who like to call themselves patriots so I do believe there will be quite a few who'll take a step back after all is said and done
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What kinda "rapport" we talking about here and WHY is Trump so interested in establishing a good relationship with Russia, of all nations? To avoid a nuclear conflict? If that were so, has either country committed to reducing their nuclear arsenals?
The beauty of that tweet is in his bio:
"Ex-CIA ops officer, House GOP policy director. Country over party. "
A bunch of GOP senators flew to Russia and met with government officials there.
GOP has no problem because they see Russia as an ally.
That's not what im saying.
It would benefit them to have all the details of their conspiracy instead of letting Trump be a wild card.
How is it so fucking plain to see that Trump is compromised yet people still doubt it. Stop being fucking stupid.
I keep telling myself I need to prepare to be underwhelmed by the findings of Mueller's investigation, but then we get another news story like this. I'll say one thing, if Trump isn't guilty as sin he's pretty fucking good at making himself look suspicious as all hell.
Matthew Yglesias @mattyglesias
One hilarious thing about Trump and the translator is that 2016 was literally the only election in American history to feature document-retention policy compliance as a major issue.
One hilarious thing about Trump and the translator is that 2016 was literally the only election in American history to feature document-retention policy compliance as a major issue.
Tom Nichols @RadioFreeTom
There are more people in the Kremlin than in Washington who know what Trump said to Putin.
There are more people in the Kremlin than in Washington who know what Trump said to Putin.
The question we should be asking is... why are these stories coming out now?
Didn't members of the NRA fly to Russia as well? The GOP seems to get a lot of Russian money.
They seem confident they will escape unscathed even if Trump goes down, no one wants to stand in the way and obstruct or get mixed up in it.
They Tweet and say things but none of them has actually protected Trump from Mueller in any real way.
There's a few shmucks like Rand Paul and Rohrbacher who were neck deep into this
I'm impressed. That implies a level of intelligence I usually don't associate with Trump damn.
It's like when you see a dog open a door
It's like when you see a dog open a door
Russia has been cozying up to the NRA, religious right and GOP politicians for years.
You've got Treasury officials sharing financial info with Russian Intelligence over Gmail FFS.
This isn't the 80s, there isn't enough people who see Russia as a threat. I wonder how Mitt Romney will act now.
who cares? we're going to see shit so far beyond some hookers urinating in a bed.
Not only that but KNOWING what the President informs Putin about and NOT acting would expose them to possible criminal charges and/or being complicit in treason themselves. They're probably perfectly content to NOT know so they can plead ignorance when the hammer comes down.
They'll do the same thing when the NRA bomb drops so they can feign shock that all of that money being funnelled into their campaigns is Russian even if they're compromised assets themselves.
Some rats are going to sneak through this sieve unscathed. And possibly wind up as presidential candidates themselves someday.
It's long running illegal laundering and deals with oligarchs and Russian mafia. If there is an embarrassing tape, that's just a funny/disgusting bonus.
Yeah, this is Trump. They've got to have tapes of him doing worse things.
They also won't dare act against Trump and lose support of his cult.