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Redcrayon

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Oct 27, 2017
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https://www.warhammer-community.com...e-fortress-1-the-precipicegw-homepage-post-1/

Very bold. Wearing a breastplate with the single eye of the Inquisition on it while wearing a dead xenos a scarf. What does he think he is, a Space Wolf? :D
 

Ohnonono

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Oct 29, 2017
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Holy Terra
I was messing around rolling some dice with a small part of my Death Guard and Space Wolves. Typhus charged a group of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators, shrugged off a pretty successful overwatch (5 hits all shrugged off), then his aura affect put one mortal wound on the Terminators. He then swung 4 times with his Manreaper, 3 got through, no saves made. 9 damage to finish off the unit lol!

As fun as all of this was, should he have only been able to kill 3 targets at the most because he only made 3 attacks or does the damage carry through a unit? It is hard to tell what does and does not.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I was messing around rolling some dice with a small part of my Death Guard and Space Wolves. Typhus charged a group of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators, shrugged off a pretty successful overwatch (5 hits all shrugged off), then his aura affect put one mortal wound on the Terminators. He then swung 4 times with his Manreaper, 3 got through, no saves made. 9 damage to finish off the unit lol!

As fun as all of this was, should he have only been able to kill 3 targets at the most because he only made 3 attacks or does the damage carry through a unit? It is hard to tell what does and does not.
This used to always throw me off also. Because he landed 3 hits, he would only be getting 3 of the 4 models in the unit. Even if he landed 1 hit and it did 100 damage, because it is just 1 hit only 1 guy has those wounds allocated to him.
 

Ohnonono

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Oct 29, 2017
780
Holy Terra
This used to always throw me off also. Because he landed 3 hits, he would only be getting 3 of the 4 models in the unit. Even if he landed 1 hit and it did 100 damage, because it is just 1 hit only 1 guy has those wounds allocated to him.

Yeah I just went and looked it up and it seems like mortal wounds jump models in units, but nothing else overkills. So when your using multi-damage weapons you just need to be more careful about allocating the wounds seperately. So in that situation the Terminators should have had 2 fully healthy guys left to hit back.
 

borghe

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah I just went and looked it up and it seems like mortal wounds jump models in units, but nothing else overkills. So when your using multi-damage weapons you just need to be more careful about allocating the wounds seperately. So in that situation the Terminators should have had 2 fully healthy guys left to hit back.
You guys just confused the hell out of me with this. So I checked both 40k rules and AOS rules and sure enough, they are different.

40k says to allocate the wounds to a model. Stop.

AoS says allocate the wounds one at a time to models in the unit.

Wonder why the difference?
 

Siggy-P

Avenger
Mar 18, 2018
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Normal wounds target the succesfully hit model. So if a weapon only gets one hit the damage only affects one model.

Mortal wounds target the unit. So they spill over into other models.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think both of those are saying the same thing, just different wording.

5 Primaris Marines. 2 Wounds Each. I shoot them with my Heavy Burst Cannon, which is 12 shots of 2 damage each. 3 shots wound, so I lose 3 of my 5 marines. If I follow up with my smart missile system, which is 1 damage, and I land 2 wounds, then another dies. I cannot split that damage up between my remaining 2 models to give 1 wound to each in order to save both lives. You have to allocate a single wound at a time, and then any units with a wound counter already have to take any other wounds coming at that unit until they are dead. Let's go back and say we have 5 Primaris Marines again and I shoot my Castellan's Volcano Lance at them. That is a 1d6 of 3D3 damage for each wound. I roll for 2 hits, wound twice, roll for 4 damage on one hit then 9 damage on the other. Even though 13 damage, which is greater than the wound count of that whole unit, I still only lose 2 models in the unit since there were just 2 hits. Imagine it like a hit being an actual bullet. A bullet may be overkill for a unit, but in reality, that wouldn't make it jump to another target. The game treats a hit the same way.

That's my rambling explanation. I'm sure there are way better out there.
 

MyQuarters

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Oct 25, 2017
828
UK
I was messing around rolling some dice with a small part of my Death Guard and Space Wolves. Typhus charged a group of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators, shrugged off a pretty successful overwatch (5 hits all shrugged off), then his aura affect put one mortal wound on the Terminators. He then swung 4 times with his Manreaper, 3 got through, no saves made. 9 damage to finish off the unit lol!

As fun as all of this was, should he have only been able to kill 3 targets at the most because he only made 3 attacks or does the damage carry through a unit? It is hard to tell what does and does not.
the only damage from a single hit that can spill over from one model to another is mortal wounds.
Without mortal wounds, you could deal 20 damage to a unit of poxwalkers and still only kill one
 

Matttimeo

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Oct 26, 2017
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So eyeballing that video we got:

- Rogue Trader Draik
- Kroot Mercenary
- Eldar Ranger?
- Cane holder with hammerhead helmet (Mechanicus fellow or rogue psycher?)
- Soldier, bulky armour with spikey halo (religious fanatic?)
- Glowy eyes goggle person with rifle (Squat?)
- Eyepatch man with grapplehook gun
- KASTELAN ROBOT! (Rogue AI?)

If anyone recognises any of them I would love to hear your insight.
 

Mindwipe

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Oct 25, 2017
5,229
London
So eyeballing that video we got:

- Rogue Trader Draik
- Kroot Mercenary
- Eldar Ranger?
- Cane holder with hammerhead helmet (Mechanicus fellow or rogue psycher?)
- Soldier, bulky armour with spikey halo (religious fanatic?)
- Glowy eyes goggle person with rifle (Squat?)
- Eyepatch man with grapplehook gun
- KASTELAN ROBOT! (Rogue AI?)

If anyone recognises any of them I would love to hear your insight.

We're supposed to be getting a Ratling Sniper in BF, so that's more likely than a Squat.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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I wonder if the genestealer gunslinger is part of this?

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StayHandsome

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Nov 30, 2017
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the only damage from a single hit that can spill over from one model to another is mortal wounds.
Without mortal wounds, you could deal 20 damage to a unit of poxwalkers and still only kill one

Yeah, and to add to this, there are a couple weapons out there that are intended to kill multiple infantry at once, so their wounds carry over multiple models. I think the Death Guard's flail weapon available on Plague Marines works in such a manner.

On the topic of Blackstone Fortress, I think all of the factions that are represented with models will eventually get plastic units for 40k. I just base this hunch on the fact that once they switched to digital 3D design, anything they make becomes an asset that is easily repurposed, and it'd be low key wasteful to put resources into designing 3D models for stuff that only appears in a single game box.
 
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Orgun

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah, and to add to this, there are a couple weapons out there that are intended to kill multiple infantry at once, so their wounds carry over multiple models. I think the Death Guard's flail weapon available on Plague Marines works in such a manner.

On the topic of Blackstone Fortress, I think all of the factions that are represented with models will eventually get plastic units for 40k. I just base this hunch on the fact that once they switched to digital 3D design, anything they make becomes an asset that is easily repurposed, and it'd be low key wasteful to put resources into designing 3D models for stuff that only appears in a single game box.

That flail is nasty
 

MyQuarters

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Oct 25, 2017
828
UK
Yeah, and to add to this, there are a couple weapons out there that are intended to kill multiple infantry at once, so their wounds carry over multiple models. I think the Death Guard's flail weapon available on Plague Marines works in such a manner.

Those weapons will specify in their text that the damage splashes over, though, right?
 
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Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Norn Iron
Something new...

The Blackstone Fortress itself is a a terrifying labyrinth. Corridors shift, new paths open and close – and some vast and terrible sentience stirs…

The Blackstone Fortress is more than just a backdrop to your adventures in Warhammer Quest, but a participant in them – and it will not hesitate to try and stop you. Here's a look at one of its mechanical minions, a Spindle Drone:
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Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man, that box is going to be absolute model gold mine for me for when I run my Wrath & Glory Campaign.

That model is super weird and different, I love it.
 

Deleted member 9241

Oct 26, 2017
10,416
I love the foreboding spin that GW are putting into Blackstone. Isolation, sci-fi, and horror are a great blend of elements that always hit the right spots for me.
 

Matttimeo

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Oct 26, 2017
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Must admit, I am pleasantly surprised to see the design of the spiderbot. I was expecting them to make the Blackstone enemies an existing 40k baddie (either Chaos or Necrons probably) so seeing them potentially take this in a weird different direction is pretty cool.
 

Siggy-P

Avenger
Mar 18, 2018
11,865
Must admit, I am pleasantly surprised to see the design of the spiderbot. I was expecting them to make the Blackstone enemies an existing 40k baddie (either Chaos or Necrons probably) so seeing them potentially take this in a weird different direction is pretty cool.

One of my favourite things that GW does is when they reference enemies, enemy types or entire races that aren't one of the main tabletop factions. It really gives this feeling of mysterious and a wild crazy universe bigger than what humanity already knows.
 

Mindwipe

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,229
London
Must admit, I am pleasantly surprised to see the design of the spiderbot. I was expecting them to make the Blackstone enemies an existing 40k baddie (either Chaos or Necrons probably) so seeing them potentially take this in a weird different direction is pretty cool.

TBF, from what we know a fair amount of them are Chaos marines and renegade cultists.
 

Bombless

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Oct 25, 2017
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A 22 minutes vid on painting the dragster. I'm pleasantly surprised they didn't cut the video in pieces to post over a week.

Also the 4th Blackstone vid is up.


Spoiler alert : it's Chaos.
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Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Looks like he's a "Negavolt Cultist":
Negavolt Cultists express their heretical devotion by despoiling machinery and corrupting the function of sacred technologies through daemonic invocations and abstruse rituals. Such cults can often be found on planets controlled by the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Chaos Marines, Traitor Guard, Ur-Ghul, and some sort of Beastmen in that video?
 
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Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Leaked!
Difficult to make out what all the minis are, but looks like 4 Ur-ghuls on the right there.

There's a GW design studio seminar at Blood and Glory tonight between 8pm and 10pm here in the UK, expecting to see the full reveal then.
 
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Lodsa news!
https://www.warhammer-community.com...eview-roundup-extravaganzagw-homepage-post-1/


Wrath and Rapture is a new boxed set that pits the bloodthirsty Daemons of Khorne against their most ancient and bitter rivals – the Daemons of Slaanesh. Like other battleboxes that have gone before it, this set will feature a loads of miniatures including exclusive new characters and units, like these ferocious Flesh Hounds:
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These guys will be battling against the brand-new Fiends of Slaanesh…
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…as well as featuring alongside EVEN MORE as-of-yet unrevealed models. It's an exciting time to be a Chaos Daemons player, whether you're terrorising the Mortal Realms, 41st Millennium, or both.



Looted Wagons, Farsight Enclaves The Eight, and Sisters of Battle beta codex in Chapter Approved!
Chapter Approved 2018 is packed with content for all kinds of players – we've got a sneak peek at some of the most exciting headlines.

Take Looted Wagons – Chapter Approved is the home for experimentation and innovation, so is the perfect place to include rules and guidelines for including your most kunnin' konversions in your Ork army in open and narrative games.
Or the Eight. When Codex: T'au Empire was released, we had loads of fans ask about fielding Commander Farsight's elite bodyguard – so, in this year's Chapter Approved, we'll be bringing these iconic heroes to life in style. You'll find a host of new datasheets for using this gathering of Fire caste legends in your games, including matched play.
As if that wasn't enough, Chapter Approved 2018 will also feature a beta codex for the Adepta Sororitas! This is quite possibly Warhammer 40,000's most anticipated codex ever, and we want to make sure we absolutely nail it, so, alongside our usual rigorous professional playtesting, we're asking you to help us out and provide your thoughts.

Make no mistake – while this is a beta codex, it's a fully fledged one that offers the Adepta Sororitas more options and more cool stuff than ever before, allowing you (for the first time EVER) to represent the unique tactics of various orders with unique Orders Militant Convictions. The Order of the Bloody Rose, for instance, are zealous close combat specialists:
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There are loads of nifty Stratagems too – one our favourites is Burning Descent, which lets Seraphim purge the unclean from on high by giving them a free shooting attack when they arrive and increasing the range of their hand flamers:
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Blackstone Fortress revealed:



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Squinting at the models trying to work out what they all are? We've got you covered – here are some detail shots of Amallyn Shadowguide, an Aeldari Ranger who has thrown her lot in with the other explorers searching for the Blackstone Fortress…
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…and this awesome Ministorum Priest, Taddeus the Purifier, a zealot who's following visions he believes were given to him by the Emperor himself.
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AND, to cap it all of, here are a pair of all-new Chaos Space Marines!
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We'll have more news on what this all means for you on Sunday. Make sure to check back then for our most in-depth preview of Blackstone Fortress so far…
 
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The Necromunda Rulebook is your essential guide to the game itself, combining the rules found in the Necromunda: Underhive boxed set with a host of content from Gang War and updated with the latest feedback from the FAQs and Errata. Meanwhile, the Gangs of Necromunda supplement contains rules for all six of the House Gangs, plus Hangers-on, Brutes, the trading post and more.

These books are your one-stop shop for rules and are perfect for both veteran fans looking for an easy reference for their battles and juves looking to take their first steps in the underhive. If you're looking to get started, Necromunda: Underhive is still a great way to do so, but now, you've got the option of kicking off your first campaign with one of the other gangs who've joined the fray, like House Orlock or Cawdor.
 
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Griselbrand

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Oct 26, 2017
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Jesus, Delaque are like a full head taller than Orlocks it seems. I had a full gang of them and Cawdor back on the day and although I wasn't sold on their initial reimagining I'm coming around. Figures the compendium comes out now, I should have seen it coming. Lol
 

Deleted member 9241

Oct 26, 2017
10,416
Delaque look like the strangers from Dark City.
 

StayHandsome

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Nov 30, 2017
763
Blackstone Fortress looks so damn good.

4 of my friends are all picking it up. We all want the whole box. We're gonna end up each painting our own character and a couple baddies and then bringing them together to play as a group.

I'm going straight in on that Ranger. She'll hop into one of my Ranger squads in standard 40k when she's not exploring the Fortress. ;)
 

STech

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Sep 24, 2018
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I've been long time disconnected from the hobby, but these miniatures looks really good.

What it this Blackstone Fortress, a expansion for WH40K o a game by itself?, if so, what kind of game?
 
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Gareth

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I've been long time disconnected from the hobby, but these miniatures looks really good.

What it this Blackstone Fortress, a expansion for WH40K o a game by itself?, if so, what kind of game?
Have you heard of the fantasy game Warhammer Quest? It's a 40K version of that. It's basically a dungeon-crawl board game. The minis are all new and the same scale as 40K minis, but the game itself is entirely different. Apparently GW will release rules to use the models in 40K too.
 
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StayHandsome

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Nov 30, 2017
763
Necrons need more than just point drops my friend. First thing they need to do is revert fly back to its original state so people can start using Wraiths again