Warhammer 40,000 |OT| In the Grim Darkness of the 40K Era There Is Only War

Oct 25, 2017
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I say $1 is worth it for the 3 first Horus books for sure.
Yeah, absolutely. The first seven books are in the middle tier, it's after that it jumps around a bit.
Thanks guys! Went for the top tier, looking forward to reading them in the future. Sent pretty much all of the cost to Crohn's & Colitis UK, it's really nice that you can select the charity!

Used Lahmian medium for the first time painting last night and that shit is made of magic.
Oddly enough I've just had some arrive today. I've heard really good things about it, so I can't wait to try it out.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I hate to say it but I might wait on Shadowspear. I really only want the Vanguard units, but I want to know how they integrate with space marine armies. I've been building my Dark Angels successor army with a very specific point spread in mind, and I suspect these Vanguard units will be too expensive to accommodate.

Plus I still have 10 intercessors to paint lol.
 

Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finished this guy a few days ago. All my Primaris models have been sitting in the Dark Imperium box under my couch for like a year. lol

(Sorry for the shitty pic, my camera and the lighting in my house are extraordinarily shitty.)



Also, as I was doing (far too much) research into the Blood Ravens I discovered that they may be the single most visually inconsistent Space Marine chapter of all time. Especially when it comes to things like the denotation of rank. Like almost every source I could find about them doesn't have a single mention of what colors squad sergeants and lieutenant have for their helmets. Even chapter veterans don't have anything unique, they can "optionally" have their helmets be bone colored. Then sometimes their right nee pad is black, and sometimes the left one is bone white. Then sometimes both are red. Why? Who the fuck knows! Some older art depicts their Librarians having red left arms, but in none of the games do they have that. Then both Chaplains and Librarians went form having bone white shoulder pads to bright red ones (that aren't even the same shade of red as their chapter livery) in Dawn of War 3 The lore goes on and on about how they're codex complaint but they don't even follow something as simple as helmet colors and shit. And don't get me started on the games. Over the decade or so more of their existence they've gone through like 3 different chapter heraldry's. I'm almost convinced one of them was just a fan design that gained far more traction in the 40k community that it should have?? The worst offense though is all the Visual inconsistencies with Gabriel Angelos' design in Dawn of War 3. Not a single piece of concept art, his in-game model, his cinematic model, his Forge World mini, and the huge collectors statue, are all visually consistent with one another. It's like nobody actually knows completely what Gabriel Angelos' design actually 100% is since every time he appears, he is ALWAYS off model. I could write a book about how awful the Blood Ravens are. I haven't even discussed every problem here either!

Sorry for the Blood Ravens rant. It's been really, REALLY, frustrating to paint a lore friendly army for them when their visual design is so all over the place that trying to both be true to the games and to ACTUALLY make them codex compliant (visually at least) has been a royal pain in the ass. I have decided on a way to denote rank that's still compliant and lore friendly so whatever. I just really needed to bitch about this.

So what do you guys think of my model? lol
 

War Peaceman

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Oct 28, 2017
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The model looks nice! The consistency issue is on Relic, not GW. You could argue that they should have more tight control of their IP, but on the level you are talking about that is probably asking for a very high amount of oversight.

The simple answer is taht instead of being reactive to 'lore', define it on your terms.
 

Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks for the compliments guys! I’m glad everyone got a kick out of my silly rant. lol

Edit: Actually the onus on the inconsistency does fall on GW somewhat. One of the sources I looked through was their old Index Astartes entries. Which of course were done by GW, and it was even written by Graham McNiell. Even that has inconsistencies. While the brunt of the inconsistencies is definitely on Relic, GW saw fit to at some point to consolidate their lore and visuals so as the IP holder some blame does have to be put on them.

Index astartes article for those interested: http://web.archive.org/web/20070209053624/http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/bloodravens-indexastartes/assets/index-astartes-blood-ravens.pdf
 
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Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Holy shit the price for shadow spear is insane. I'm not sure it's worth it honestly at a $175 price tag...
 

Bombless

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Oct 25, 2017
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That is a very nice Blood Raven. Can't say I ever noticed the inconsistencies throughout the videogames, despite playing them all.
 

LTWheels

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Nov 8, 2017
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Can’t decided whether to buy Shadowspear. I really like the models, and I mainly want to buy it so I have something new to paint. Think I might be better off getting Blackstone Fortress. I don’t really play much so think I’ll get more use out of a self contained board game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Can’t decided whether to buy Shadowspear. I really like the models, and I mainly want to buy it so I have something new to paint. Think I might be better off getting Blackstone Fortress. I don’t really play much so think I’ll get more use out of a self contained board game.
Don't forget that resellers will have the Shadowspear units on sale pretty cheaply in the next few weeks once prices level out, so from that you can cherry pick what you want.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Kill Team Elites announced:
Kill Team: Elites is a massive new expansion that brings the very deadliest troops to skirmish combat in the 41st Millennium. Inside, you’ll find rules that let you field anything from Terminators to Crisis Battlesuits to your games.

Every faction has new units to use, including the Vanguard Space Marines from Shadowspear and some much-requested additions, such as Mandrakes and Striking Scorpions. We’ve even gone and added a whole new faction: the Adeptus Custodes – the most elite kill team in the game.

We’ll be making it easy to add Elites to your kill team roster with a host of boxed expansions. Like previous sets, these will give you themed tokens and a ready-to-go squad of warriors, complete with lore and specialisms. Alternatively, you’ll be able to build them as your own custom kill team and take advantage of rules content only found in these boxes!


Kal Jerico and Scabbs for Necromunda:
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Tau get Crisis Suits and Orks get Flash Gitz, cool. I really hope they price Flash Gitz appropriately, shooty Orks have been next to useless so far in Kill Team. I’m in for more Flash Gitz regardless of if they’re any good though, I adore those models.

Please let me field triple-flamer Crisis Suits.
 

Mindwipe

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Oct 25, 2017
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I imagine Custodes will be like the Commanders mission with an entire team facing the one guy.

I guess GC's will get Jackals?
 

BigDes

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tau get Crisis Suits and Orks get Flash Gitz, cool. I really hope they price Flash Gitz appropriately, shooty Orks have been next to useless so far in Kill Team. I’m in for more Flash Gitz regardless of if they’re any good though, I adore those models.

Please let me field triple-flamer Crisis Suits.
You're right

Orks need Crisis Gitz
 
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Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Another expansion for Blackstone Fortress:


Traitor Command is a new adventure pack for Warhammer Quest: Blackstone Fortress that sees you descend into darkness to crush a growing Chaos threat. You’ll face terrifying new hostiles with the Traitor Commissar and Chaos Ogryn, find strange and powerful new gear, and forge alliances with unlikely friends in Precipice…

Like The Dreaded Ambull, Traitor Command can be tackled as an expedition in its own right or added to your main set to add even more challenge to your other quests. For you Chaos fans out there, both the Traitor Commissar and Chaos Ogryn will be receiving datasheets for adding them to your Warhammer 40,000 army.
 

LTWheels

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Nov 8, 2017
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The quality of GW’s modelling has greatly improved since Guilliman’s release. Consider this model was mostly sculpted 3 or 4 years ago. Crazy to
 

Siggy-P

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The quality of GW’s modelling has greatly improved since Guilliman’s release. Consider this model was mostly sculpted 3 or 4 years ago. Crazy to
It's the switch over to 3D printing. Every 40K blog site and forum swore 3D printing would kill GW, but the truth is it only made them infinitely stronger.
 

Serule

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like over the last 20 years there must have been a lot of improvements in the manufacturing process? It used to be that they didn’t make a lot of plastic models because the molds were extremely expensive. I understand that rising cost of metal forced their hand somewhat here, but there has to be something else going on - there are tons of new releases, some of which seem to be very niche (like Ambots).
 

Nazo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Really like the look of the lord dude. The traitor Ogryn and Commisar are cool too but I hope they aren’t $60 like the Ambull is.
 

Jack Scofield

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Oct 27, 2017
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I started painting Warhammer a few months ago, but got discouraged and put things aside for awhile. I recently started getting back into it, and I'm so glad I did, because I can see noticable improvement from model to model and I'm actually proud of my work! The 40K community both here and in Reddit are both very positive places, and it's great to learn from others.

I don't think I have an actual point, but it's such a relaxing and satisfying hobby, and I'm in love with the lore, too! I just wish that I got into this sooner!
 

Mikeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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I started painting Warhammer a few months ago, but got discouraged and put things aside for awhile. I recently started getting back into it, and I'm so glad I did, because I can see noticable improvement from model to model and I'm actually proud of my work! The 40K community both here and in Reddit are both very positive places, and it's great to learn from others.

I don't think I have an actual point, but it's such a relaxing and satisfying hobby, and I'm in love with the lore, too! I just wish that I got into this sooner!
What got you discouraged?
If you'd like to really get involved in the painting side, feel free to spam this thread or the dedicated miniature painting thread with questions, photos, comments, etc!
 

Jack Scofield

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Oct 27, 2017
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What got you discouraged?
If you'd like to really get involved in the painting side, feel free to spam this thread or the dedicated miniature painting thread with questions, photos, comments, etc!
My coworker is the person who got me into the hobby, and to start with he gave me a lot of his unused miniatures. They were mainly comprised of Terminator armor and some specially characters, which were a little too advanced for me. I wasn't happy with my painting results, and whenever I tried choosing a new figurine, I became overwhelmed by the amount of details and precision required, which ultimately led to me shelving the hobby for awhile.

However, since then I've purchased some simpler figures and standard Space Marines in order to improve my technique, and it's helped a ton. I'm proud of my results and I've been learning a lot from Warhammer TV and other YouTube channels.

Thank you for the link to the painting thread! I'll definitely be checking it out.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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My coworker is the person who got me into the hobby, and to start with he gave me a lot of his unused miniatures. They were mainly comprised of Terminator armor and some specially characters, which were a little too advanced for me. I wasn't happy with my painting results, and whenever I tried choosing a new figurine, I became overwhelmed by the amount of details and precision required, which ultimately led to me shelving the hobby for awhile.

However, since then I've purchased some simpler figures and standard Space Marines in order to improve my technique, and it's helped a ton. I'm proud of my results and I've been learning a lot from Warhammer TV and other YouTube channels.

Thank you for the link to the painting thread! I'll definitely be checking it out.
As someone who only got into the hobby a couple of years ago I can definitely relate. My first few miniatures were passable but like you I felt overwhelmed by the complexity of some of them. Now I'm still daunted by a few of the figures, but I've learned to compartmentalize them and work one or two areas at a time.

One trick I know some people frown on but has helped me is painting parts still on the sprue. Yes it means I have to touch up some small sections, however it also helps me break things up into manageable jobs.
 

Mikeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also, especially when you're not all that confident yet, you don't have to paint ALL the details.
You can skip out smaller stuff and it'll still look good on the table. And once you're more confident you can always go back and finish up
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've started to focus solely on the specialist games (Kill Team, Necromunda, Blackstone Fortress) as that allows me to have a smaller army to handle while also allowing me to have models ready to expand to a proper one if I want to.
 

Mikeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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announcement of the next expansion for Blackstone Fortress kicked me into gear.
Last night I primed everything, painted the drones and the ur ghuuls, then got started on the 2 CSM and Obsidius Mallex.
Reckon I can get through the lot in a couple of weeks - I'm only speedpainting as I'd like to play it painted