I mean, I've seen some people call him the best horror director of all time. It's like... If you've only seen his movies maybe...
Just a really overrated director with no actual reason to be excited for Aquaman imo
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Just a really overrated director with no actual reason to be excited for Aquaman imo
Yeah. Off the top of my head it sets up at least in part: a villain for Black Panther, Stark's motivation for Civil War, Thor & Hulk's absence from Civil War and thus Ragnarok, introduces Vision who will be very important in Infinity War, introduces Scarlet Witch (and Quicksilver but you know), gives Hawkeye much needed characterization/backstory, sets up motivation for the villain of Civil War, etc
Agreed here too. There's so many scenes in Ultron I really love; the movie as a whole? It's fine.
Honestly the AoU party scene and Vision payoff are strong evidence that Whedon isn't totally worthless. Both are strong scenes and I find the party scene to be an MCU highlight
Glad someone agrees with me, gal Gadot is horrendous. Patty Jenkins deserves a ton of praise for tricking people into liking her.
Right.
Except audiences clearly didn't think so which is what DC wanted. Especially given that JL is looking to bomb big time at the box office.
I don't particularly think DC was concerned with your taste in movies as much as they were with Whedon being the guy that delivered to highly grossing team up movies.
Like I said, though, calling him bottom of the barrel is being fairly ignorant of what's really at the bottom of the barrel. Wan is a very talented technician and even a bit of an innovator with how much he likes to play around with camera mobility in order to generate scares (the camera flip from underneath the bed in The Conjuring was some really great work on that front), and his love of the genre is truly genuine. I don't know if that means that Aquaman is going to be great, but it's definitely a lot better for having someone like Wan at the helm than most directors out there.
Chris is a goddamn incredible comedic actor.
Has he done a serious drama worth seeing?
Does he have a role that isn't thor thats worth seeing since Thor?
I'm sorry, for horror films he is what I call bottom of the barrel and very representative of the generic Hollywood horror films that get pumped out. Nothing redeemable.
I'd love to be proven wrong but I doubt it will happen.
I actually really like Age of Ultron. I get and agree with most of the criticism, but I dunno, I think it's a fun watch.
It's like you didn't see Rush. And Chris got them comedic chops.
Gal is pretty forgettable though. Patty deserves some kind of award for achieving that.
You keep saying bottom of the barrel but you don't seem to realize that when it comes to horror, the easiest and cheapest kind of film to make, the barrel is almost infinitely deep.
I've seen easily hundreds of horror films. Based on Insideous and Death Sentence alone, he's nowhere near the level of sheer ineptness I've sat through while watching low budget horror flicks.
I would say Ghostbusters wasn't worth seeing but I will agree on Rush, that was a good film.
Hell, he's not even bottom of the barrel even if the barrel is strictly for mainstream horror films.
Insideous has nothing of value to say, and is ultimately a shallow thrill ride but it scared the hell out of me both times I've watched it. Extremely good technical execution of horror as a craft. Maybe needs some work on making films with heft, like, say, The Thing or The Fly.
I didn't watch the spoiler section, but...
TL:DW
- Whedon wasn't just brought in for 11th hour reshoots (although he did those), he was brought in during the script phase to try and fix the script.
- Whedon wrote a Wonder Woman script back in 2005, which was ditched in favor of what Patty Jenkins eventually gave us. It leaked online recently and people were shocked to find that it was horribly sexist. Whedon being brought in to "fix" Justice League gave him a second chance to push for his 2005 version of Wonder Woman.
- An insider allegedly told this reporter that the JL cast hated Whedon.
- Whedon recycled a face-in-boobs joke from Age Of Ultron.
- Gal Godot would have refused to do the face-in-boobs joke, so Whedon didn't ask, he hired a body double.
Those lower budget b and c rate movies have their own inherent qualities however. The recent string of 2000s and 2010s generic horror really has no redeeming qualities and I feel wan is the main figurehead of that style.
Did they?
Just here to repeat that Chris Hemsworth is actually great in Rush. Gal Gadot is just awful compared to him. To me it seems like she struggles with every one of her lines.
She had two lines and most of her screen time was that of a digital double.
There was barely anything to judge her for in BvS.
She had two lines and most of her screen time was that of a digital double.
There was barely anything to judge her for in BvS.
WW definitely came off better than the two title characters in BvS, but I'm convinced that that was just an unintended consequence of her very limited screen time.
If it had been a Trinity film, I'm sure Snyder would have given her her own subplot of dark, brooding violence, likely poisoning the well for her solo film.
If it had been a Trinity film, I'm sure Snyder would have given her her own subplot of dark, brooding violence, likely poisoning the well for her solo film.
Watch films like Night of Something Strange and Carnage Park and tell me what inherent qualities they have that Wan's films don't have.
You really have no idea what bad looks like if Wan is the face you're putting on it.
The Conjuring 1 & 2 and Insidious are shit, but it's not James Wan's fault. The directing was perfectly fine, it's just the stories are the same old lite-horror fare that's popular these days. No death, no blood. Jumpscares in a creepy house. Still far ahead of garbage like Paranormal Activity though.
Saw 1 was amazing and Furious 7 was very well liked, I'm sure he'll be one of the stronger parts of Aquaman. They just need a script that works.
I personally find this Whedon discussion silly. If you want to slam him for the reshoot scenes specifically that's fine, but it's clear that this mess was far and away Snyder's vision. It's not like they cut him out right before they started filming, they brought everyone back after everything was done! Even complaining about the flat, shot-reverse shot look to his scenes is a little disingenuous considering they had to rush and do everything on the cheap, while polishing up the rest of the script.
Edit: As for those particular details regarding the "face in boobs" joke etc., those are fair points. But consider that he was still a step up from what they were working with from Snyder. That man's sensibility is a black hole.
Saw 1 was amazing and Furious 7 was very well liked, I'm sure he'll be one of the stronger parts of Aquaman. They just need a script that works.
I personally find this Whedon discussion silly. If you want to slam him for the reshoot scenes specifically that's fine, but it's clear that this mess was far and away Snyder's vision. It's not like they cut him out right before they started filming, they brought everyone back after everything was done! Even complaining about the flat, shot-reverse shot look to his scenes is a little disingenuous considering they had to rush and do everything on the cheap, while polishing up the rest of the script.
Edit: As for those particular details regarding the "face in boobs" joke etc., those are fair points. But consider that he was still a step up from what they were working with from Snyder. That man's sensibility is a black hole.
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Every quote I read on Snyder about superheroes makes him sound like he hates superheroes. Very questionable choice for being put in charge of spearheading a superhero movie universe.
It's messy and unfocused, but yeah, AoU is largely just fine. Any individual element, namely Ultron as a threat, would've been strengthened with some refocusing.
Indeed, it gets called out occasionally but it gets lost in the obvious adoration the WW movie deserves thanks to Patty
We really hating on Gal again?
She was great in Wonder Woman, at no point in the movie did she stand out for below par acting.
Edit - she should be the face of the next 'phase' of DCEU movies definitely. Heck, make her the face of DCEU. She's captured hearts as Wonder Woman.
She was great in Wonder Woman, at no point in the movie did she stand out for below par acting.
Edit - she should be the face of the next 'phase' of DCEU movies definitely. Heck, make her the face of DCEU. She's captured hearts as Wonder Woman.
Yeah, I don't get the hate for Gal Gadot myself. The only thing I'd knock her for isn't even something I'd knock her for specifically, since I didn't really understand why all of the other Amazon had to speak with a quasi-Israeli accent, including vets like Connie Britton and Robin Wright. Gadot was quite charming throughout that film and had a very tangible self-confidence about her when she carried herself around, be it the action scenes or the simpler interactions with the rest of her team. Malin Akerman, she ain't.
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I haven't seen this movie. Did she get bukkake'd immediately after this?
Vision and Ultron's final convo is a top 3 scene in the MCU.
Blackhat was great, Rush was aiight. Bruhl steals the show from him in the latter but Hemsworth isn't bad in the movie
That's about it. Those are his two best movies imo. Though I agree he seems to work better as a comedic actor.
Edit: actually I wouldn't call blackhat a straight up drama tho. It's more of like Michael Manns take on a Johnnie To action movie combined with his penchant for realism (in this case all the hacking jargon). His movies with Ron Howard are more traditional drama movies if you're looking for that.
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Yep, dreadful films. No true horror fan would call them good.
And as for gal Gadot being the face the DCEU... Have you guys seen her in justice league? Yikes.
I disagree. I watch a horror movie to get scared and those were scary. So, they did their job well.
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Not even close, man. Not. Even. Close.
But it's cool to pass off a minority opinion as gospel lol
I mean, sometimes the minority is right. Watch the minority report breh
I am a huge horror fan. It's my favorite genre and I watch at least one new horror film a week (I would watch way more if I had time).
They are good movies. All of them. Not the godly stuff that reviews suggest (at least for the Conjuring movies), but they are effective in what they do. They all have a few decent creepy moments, which is more than I can say for 99% of the genre.
Because the other Amazons should logically sound like her, or else where did her accent come from? Her mother, in particular, should sound like her.
I mean, you can think that and that's fine. I am more than willing to say you are incorrect however. Nothing creepy, just dumb spooky house and jumpscare "horror"
Except they don't sound alike at all lmao, if that was the goal it wasn't achieved at all.