Wonder Woman was good, but you're going to have a hard time convincing people that it's a more memorable film than X2/DoFP/Logan, Spider-Man 1/2, Deadpool, Iron Man, BB/Dark Knight, Winter Soldier, or Avengers. Being the first DC film that wasn't poorly written since Christopher Nolan moved on doesn't automatically make it the best superhero film of all time.
Avengers is a modern classic because everyone you know has seen it, everyone still quotes it, its impact is still being felt in blockbusters half a decade later, and it's still rewatchable today.
It will take much more time to say the same of WW.
Tired, with multiple "cinematic universe" films reviewing well and making $800 million+ just this year? Come on.
Everyone I know hasn't seen Avengers, nor do they care to. Also nobody quotes Avengers? Mean Girls is still quoted more often than Avengers. Replace every instance of "Avengers" with "The Dark Knight", and your argument holds up. Goodbye.
So Star Wars is the only thing considered a classic to you? You keep saying things aren' classic without explaining why. What makes a movie a classic and what are 5 of the most recent movies on your list?
Avengers isn't a classic, and classics differ by genre. The 5 most recent i've seen is a hard one. The most recent i've seen in theaters is Lady Bird. After that I would say Blade Runner 2049 has a strong chance to go down the same way the original did. The Dark Knight is a good one for that list. I personally think The Witch will be remembered in the horror genre as a classic. Inglorious Basterds belongs on that list too. Avengers holds up to approximately 0% of those. Fight me. Classic films require high quality film making, Avengers is good at best.
In terms of cultural importance? It absolutely holds a candle.
In terms of quality?
... Actually, it holds a candle there too. A New Hope is not a bastion of cinema. Empire is another story. But if we're going to be honest with ourselves, there are many blockbusters equal to or better than A New Hope by this point.
A New Hope is better than Avengers and it ain't even close.
Star Wars wasn't wholly original either. It's got its roots deep in the pulp scifi Lucas grew up with. Flash Gordon. John Carter. Even a scarred dark wizard villain in scifi armor was something Marvel's own Doctor Doom did over a decade prior.
It was just an enjoyable and influential film that resonated - like AVENGERS - but it didn't pioneer storytelling or character arcs. It was The Hero's Journey... A template used centuries before in all manner of literature and plays.
I never claimed that Star Wars was completely original, I said it's better than Avengers, which is true at least in my opinion. It was also way more important in terms of influence than Avengers will ever be.
Again, you're making points that aren't actually arguing against what I'm saying. Is A New Hope not the definitive movie of a generation despite the fact many people consider its sequel to be better than it? No. Again, completely humoring you, even if I agree that TFA is better than Avengers, that is not an argument against the Avengers being an all time classic. You're moving (extremely subjective) goal posts instead of acknowledging the truth in other people's theater-going experiences.
Again, why? Because you say so? Where is the proof that audiences don't like Marvel's cinematic universe anymore? Show me the receipts.
You need to step it on back, you're circling around what I'm saying and bringing up new and exciting shades of bad arguments. I'm done humoring
you after this. The Avengers wasn't a "definitive movie going experience", there was nothing particularly special about the occasion, I would know, I was there and I can't remember anything about it. What I do remember is people waiting in the cold days in advance for TFA and seeing news reports on the whole situation, I cannot say the same for Avengers. Avengers isn't even a classic in the terms of the past 10 years, much less of all time. It's embarrassing that you would hold that movie up next to things that are of actual high quality that have something to say.
You're welcome to have your wack ass truth in theater going experiences, but to hold up the Avengers next to actual classic movies is sad.
