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Sankara

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I know that the games industry have always been targeting the young male demographics for a long time, long before Microsoft ever entered the market. But at the same time, I do feel like there was a certain shift around the mid-2000's and really came into fruition with the Xbox 360 generation with Gears of War, Halo 3, Forza, Madden, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Mountain Dew & Doritos, Army of Two, etc.? It's as if Xbox marketing and publishing kind of turned videogames from being male geeky shit that Playstation established with Japanese games like Final Fantasy, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid, in the PS2 era to more frat boy masculinity especially in the 360 era. Like big guns, big muscles, fist-bumping, big explosions, etc.? I mean, there's a reason why the term "dudebro shooter" became a thing around the 2010's. You might argue Sony tried to get in on that branding with Killzone 2, Resistance, maybe even Uncharted.

Do you feel that this Dudebro thing was because of Microsoft, their first-party games, and their marketing? They've always been a very American company that targets mostly just Americans, so it would make sense that they would make their branding and products to reflect frat boy culture. But I also wonder how the whole Dudebro thing went over in Europe, Africa, Asia, EMEAA, and so on?

Also, here's a good academic article on the subject for those who have access to such a thing:
 
Nov 3, 2017
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It's Microsoft catering to the(ir) American market, definitely not imaginary but the format moved on and they stuck to their yearly sports games & shooters now that they're less catered for
 

Patitoloco

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Oct 27, 2017
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I definitely think it helped. But I think it's because it went for the American audience first.
 

Cokomon

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Nov 11, 2017
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I feel like that trend started with the PS2, not the Xbox. The "these are cool games for adults" marketing in comparison to the "kiddie games" Nintendo image.
 

Lant_War

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Jul 14, 2018
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OP Uncharted isn't a dudebro shooter lol

Dudebro Shooters peaked with Bulletstorm, that reached the limit of doing everything both ironically and seriously.
 

benji2361

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Oct 27, 2017
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No, but I genuinely associate Xbox Live with getting cursed out by a 13 year old as I hear their mother yelling at them in the background. So maybe that instead?
 

defaltoption

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Oct 27, 2017
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Of course not, people who like certain things you associate with that play games too, Microsoft made some games they liked. The same way Nintendo is associated with children.
 

Gundam

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Dude bro" is just a phrase used by gate keeping nerdshits when a game doesn't appeal to specifically them.

If you're referring to generally extreme over the top toxic "Games are for MEN" stuff, I feel like that can be tracked to the 90's, from stuff like Doom and Duke 3D
 

ElectricBlanketFire

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm far from an Microsoft fan but this is getting a bit out of hand.

Doom, GoldenEye, Duke Nukem and Madden were around before the Xbox.
 

P-MAC

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Nov 15, 2017
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Not sure why everyone's jumping on Uncharted so much when it was a minor side note with a "maybe" in front of it that's irrelevant to your overall argument. I've noticed people love to do that here.

On topic, I'd say they did to an extent, but probably Activision and EA a lot more so.

A lot of devs doing generic dudebro shooters at that time were chasing the success of Battlefield and COD. Halo too but not to the same level.
 

M. Wallace

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Croc Man

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I feel like that trend started with the PS2, not the Xbox. The "these are cool games for adults" marketing in comparison to the "kiddie games" Nintendo image.
Earlier than that. PS1 went for the clubbers and even Sega tried to some extent .

I think what MS did was double down on the "hardcore gamer" as opposed to Nintendo's perceived casual audience. That morphed to "core gamer" to mean dudebro games largely played online.

Then for some reason dedicated all resources to chasing the casual audio with kinnect at the end of 360s life and the whole TV obsessed water cooler xb1 initial reveal.

Sony more try to appeal to all, including that group but not to the same extent but a "for the players" focus drew much of that market back.
 
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nsilvias

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Oct 25, 2017
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the dude bro audience started with the og playstation.
the marketing for that attracted a different audience than sega or nintendo did
 

Cranster

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Oct 25, 2017
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Xbox made Superman 64, ET and caused the video game market crash of 83.
 

crimnos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nah, that stuff dates way back. Haven't seen anyone mention the Genesis (which I absolutely loved), but that's when I really remember the whole dudebro thing starting up.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
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I always associated dudebro with this assorted list of things:

'Merica
Doritos
Mountain Dew
Frathouses
Halo
Call of Duty
Gears of War

Make of that what you will.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Before xbox, I viewed "dudebros" as a thing endemic of pc gaming. Then, xbox came and brought pc type games to the living room sooooo....I guess so, kinda?
It's something i dont mind so much but can imagine a world where it had never happened also. Not sure if gaming would be as big though. Like, consoles always had madden but the REAL game that woke everyone up to games was call of duty 4 and yeah, I'm not sure we have cod4 on console without Microsoft/xbox.
Over the years, I've learned it's a true monkey's paw to wish for your favorite things to become popular with the common populace, see video games, see comic books, etc. At the same time, those things I just mentioned, in some regards, have never been better.
*shrugs*

Tldr: I guess I kind of do, yeah.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ever since Gears 5 released these threads multiplied, holy fuck. MS definitely profited off the dudebro games but they didn't exactly cause it. What an odd idea for a thread.
 

LavaBadger

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Nov 14, 2017
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No, but they certainly leaned into it with many others.

Seems like they're doing that less now, as is the rest of the industry. I'm hopeful they'll focus on broader experiences and a broader audience going forward.
 

Crayon

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Oct 26, 2017
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I will say

That Halo 1 lan parties

WERE NOT like the lan parties I knew up until that point.
 

TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
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People got older and didn't want to play cartoon looking games anymore.

PS2 was the more mature console
It had the more mature games. Then Microsoft capitalized on the people brought to the market by Sony.

Video games weren't just for nerds anymore at that point. Though one could argue the dude bro attitude and tough guy postering started in the arcades when games like Street fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat came out. I've seen some brawls in my day due to too much testosterone around arcade cabinets.
 

Megaten

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Oct 30, 2017
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Yes, because going back to the NES, every cover wasn't muscular, manly men doing manly things with manly guns. What the fuck is Contra? "Dudebro shit literally only started to be popular in the 2010s"...man just wait until you see Total Recall or Aliens.

What's the next thread going to be? Did MS cause my mother's cancer? Are they the reason Boris Johnson and Donald Trump rose to hold office?
 

Future Gazer

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It's as if Xbox marketing and publishing kind of turned videogames from being male geeky shit that Playstation established with Japanese games like Final Fantasy, Silent Hill 2, Metal Gear Solid, in the PS2 era to more frat boy masculinity especially in the 360 era.

This is some pretty bad revisionist history considering GTA is the best selling PS2 game.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Maybe "Dudebro" yes, but the whole "Manly Gamer" stereotype was marketed heavily in the 90s with Sega especially, trying to distinguish themselves from Nintendo's family friendly image.

Games like Doom and Mortal Kombat went a long way towards that as well, it wasn't always intentional but having a gory, violent game that your parents forbid you to play had a strong allure that those were the best games to get. And so they appealed to teens and adults in a rebellious phase, which is what became THE DUDEBRO market.
 

Empyrean Cocytus

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'd say that Grand Theft Auto likely had a lot to do with it as well, and it was exclusive to PlayStation for the glory years of the franchise (2001-2004)

I think people are overstating how popular the Xbox was. It was the 2nd most popular console to be sure, but only sold a bit better than GameCube and was FAR outsold by PS2.

To me, it's the other way around, the dudebro trend is the reason why Microsoft made their games the way they did.
 

closer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I associate it w/ Halo yeh
I think before this you could point at sports games or counterstrike to an extent, but I def credit Halo with being the big one

i dont think duke nukem or doom were for dudebros or could hype dudebros up like Halo did