The isssue is....he isnt anything close to a moderate. He is a mainstream Democrat who votes consistent with your average Dem in congress.
So do you spend all your time talking to the mouse in your pocket?
What could Beto do to realistically help black people in America?
There is a very good chance that Biden isn't running. The NYTimes had a well-sourced "state of the invis primarily" piece a month or so back, and the quotes they were getting on Biden very much sounded like "He's realizing his body is literally just not capable of withstanding a national campaign." That's the opening.
That was a quicker than usual response from you
I'm not even sure what that first line means.
1. "like yea if you take away his charming personality he kind of sucks." what kind of non sense is this? you cant just take away a candidates likeability, some would say thats probably one of the most important things to getting elected president.
Bernie's coalition was ideological lefties, young people, rural people, and independents. Only the first was ideologically attached to the agenda as a group. And the third/fourth are groups that are to the right of the median Dem on social issues. (good rundown on raw data here)
Framing Beto as "the center" in a hypothetical 2020 primary field is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the coalitions in both '08 and '16 looked like and what sorts of things were actually going on, because in both cases it was a multifaceted coalition with diverse ideological components.
Somebody wanting Universal Healthcare is a "Centrist"? Help me here.
Oh, you sweet summer child. You will understand soon what many of us were telling you the last few years.
At this point they must be trolling or their perception completely fails to conform to reality
Nah, how bout now. Otherwise how cohld I possibly take you seriously, with that obvious snark.
Thats ok, Kirblar is here to help us understand that Hillary NAFTA TPP ACA WALL STREET IRAQ WAR Clinton is a "Progressive".
I think it depends on if the universal healthcare means everyone would be insured, but still have similar premiums and deductibles. My understanding could be way off, though.
I'll PM you. It's not meant as snark, it's a "you're now seeing what many of us have been dealing with for years."
No. I would not give her that label. (She is also very much not a centrist, not even Biden is that out of the big mainstream names, which is the point I was trying to make.)
In the end, most will vote for the candidate that wins just like in 2016. Bernie voters aren't what cost us the election. I was one of them and I voted Clinton.
Bernie's cultists certainly played a part in Trump's election.
More Bernie voters voted for Clinton than Clinton voters voted for Obama. Point is, in a democracy where people are free to run, this is a normal occurrence. There was nothing special about Bernie voters.
More bernie supporters voted hillary than Hillary supporters did for Obama, lets be realistic in our expectations for voting blocks.
Well, one thing we'd learn is that the entire freedom caucus buys their toilet paper on the dark web
Amy McGrath losing in KY was an unfortunate, horrifying lesson. Incredible candidate. Ran to the left of the other guy in the primary, who was also a great candidate. And still lost.
I dont think Beto would make an interesting or worthwhile VP, that's the funny thing. But anywhere Abrams lands on the ticket is golden for me. I think Beto/Abrams overall is the most exciting/worthwhile ticket, maybe even a 2008 beater.
If Abrams is part of any ticket (or at the top of it!) I'd be voting for her without hesitation
KY-06, PA-01, and NE-02 are the most glaring examples.
