I genuinly dislike people being like "this game wouldnt exist without Sony".
Nah. SE was making AAA JRPGs just fine since forever ago. I am willing to bet money on the fact SE regrets this deal and would love to put it on Xbox. Hell they can't even put it on PC Day 1.
And we are talking about goddamn FF7 here. The game people memed on as "break glass in case of emergency".
Nah. SE was making AAA JRPGs just fine since forever ago. I am willing to bet money on the fact SE regrets this deal and would love to put it on Xbox. Hell they can't even put it on PC Day 1.
And we are talking about goddamn FF7 here. The game people memed on as "break glass in case of emergency".
these games take ~4 years. by the time 7r3 is out the ps5 will be 7/8 years old
Makes since. Nintendo has weak hardware, and a good amount of Xbox users are gamepass or bust, not to mention historically have not done well with RPGs. PS5/PC made the most sense for both parties. Sony gets exclusives and Square has the advantage of developing for 1 console while also getting support from Sony
I sincerely doubt it is out of the kindness of their heart.
That's all there is to it really.
Mate your forgetting just how expensive all the Square Enix western studios were.
They were money pits for years and never made much profit for Square as time went on.
Just cause Amazon put up that money doesn't equal that they will make that money back.
So just acting like Square is dumb I wouldn't act like Embracer (which lol is a huge shit show) is smart considering Eidos/the IP isn't closed is due to Amazon investing atm and that can change based on performance.
Along with the idea Embracer is struggling due to a long shot deal to get investment from SA
They buy publishers and try to push for exclusive games, until their hardware sales and services are declining or stagnant. Then comes the statements of "games should be everywhere" from senior management.
This exclusivity deal was likely finalized before the switch even came out.
Sony can't force SE to make FFVII exclusive lol. SE has to want to do it and approve it too. It's a dumb line in the sand we're drawing here.
The intent here is to either make one game exclusive vs making dozens of games and multiple studios exclusive. There are levels here and Xbox only recently decided to pivot from that, because they really had no choice.
When facing those choices, I'd rather just have the one game/franchise exclusive than convert and entire publisher than owns a bunch of studios.
That seems extremely ambitious. Have there been any sales updates since release yet or would that be tomorrow after the one week mark?
You're conflating someone paying for content that they don't own to someone paying to own the content. These are not the same. If it's the first, it's a money hat. If it's the latter, then they own the content and can do whatever they want with it.
There have been none no. I thought we might get one today as XVI had its first sales PR (3 million) 6 days after release but alas nothing.
Per the few indicators of sales we have so far it has sold better than XVI, so I'd expect the first PR to either be 3.5 million or if it sold really well, 4 million.
Y'all are constantly making this a PS vs Xbox thing. There are no cons for Sony, sure. There have definitely been cons for SE and it doesn't involve Xbox.
Which will be covered by the money hat. Some of those users will have bought a PS5 if they didn't already own one. Some will already own one and just buy the game on PS5. Both options mean Sony get money back.
Big disagree. Square put this game into existence with their 2005 PS3 tech demo, and people were clamoring for it for years before they finally gave in. I doubt it exists today without that tech demo.
Thanks. I know it's in the millions, but how many I wasn't sure. Still, 10 million in a year would be crazy good if they can make that. It would almost equate to one in five PS5 consoles give or take (not counting future PS5 owners or eventual PC owners).
We don't know, but hopefully EGS doesn't pull that again. I think that S-E would take the millions again if offered. It really depends on if EGS still wants to continue to pursue timed exclusivity for their storefront. This is probably one of the most attractive games they can secure for that strategy but I don't think it really moved the needle for them last time.
bad for the industry and bad for nintendo and xbox players, it should be everywhere as a 3rd party...
The foot just shot themselves in the Square
I don't know how much the rest of you know about polygons (I'm an expert), but returning to the point of origin is a huge part of it. It's not like it is in videogames where you can become successful by branching out in different planes. If you go multiplane in polygons, you are no longer Square, and the only way to become one is to foot the bill.
What this means is that Nintendo and Xbox after hearing about this, are not going to get FFVIIR to either system, nor will they foot any of the bills. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but the foot has alienated an entire market with this move.
Foot, stop shooting Square or the other systems will no longer foot the bill.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about polygons (I'm an expert), but returning to the point of origin is a huge part of it. It's not like it is in videogames where you can become successful by branching out in different planes. If you go multiplane in polygons, you are no longer Square, and the only way to become one is to foot the bill.
What this means is that Nintendo and Xbox after hearing about this, are not going to get FFVIIR to either system, nor will they foot any of the bills. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but the foot has alienated an entire market with this move.
Foot, stop shooting Square or the other systems will no longer foot the bill.
They won't make that with Rebirth. IIRC Remake after 3-4 years only sold 7 million, and that was with PS4/PS5 and PC.
They both ensure that xbox "misses out" on one of the best releases of the year while also adding a delayed release window for PC to increase the value of playstation ownership.
Say what you will, but it is probably good business for Sony. I'd be more curious if the loss of pc sales is made up for in terms of square enix.
We got an update in the UK that physical was 30 percent below Remake.
This game isn't selling 10m in a year. Remake still only sold 7m the last we heard, and that was fairly recently.
Not allowing this on Xbox or Nintendo seems like a mistake.
Xbox literally has spent 80 BILLION dollars buying 20 studios and publishers to create exclusive games based on properties that have always been multiplatform.
Played and completed OG FF7 and Crisis Core over the past couple of years on Xbox so i'm all FF7'd out. Happy for you gatekeepers though, congrats.
I think that was physical, which is mostly irrelevant, but people still like to report the numbers. 10 million just seems like a life-time total to me, but I don't usually keep track of FF game sales. And I'd agree, SE should be focused on growing their main franchise by putting it in a many places as possible. Every other major Japanese publisher does and they all seem to be doing way better with their major (and even minor like Persona) franchises.
You would be shocked some ppl actually think this way.
Its almost as bad as being mad at Sony for accepting a deal that MS turned down, passed on.
its not their game. The money they are using is more akin to marketing than game development, so we'd have to know what metric Sony (or anyone else) uses to determine the ROI on that kind of expense.
Without sidetracking this thread, many believe is they wanted a piece of that mobile gaming pie (Console gaming is a fraction).
Sony getting third party exclusivity is a pillar of their business model for decades. The price MS would have to pay to replicate that would have been insane due to the marketshare difference.
The gaming market is a shitshow all around, but if there is a silver lining it is looking like games will be released on more platforms that before.
I'm really starting to wonder if kh4 will be exclusive. That would suck for a lot of ppl I know especially after they dumped the entire franchise on Xbox and hell Nintendo too(albeit terrible way)
I don't think it's nonsense at all. Otherwise they wouldn't have waited all of the PS3 generation and most of the PS4 generation to do it. It's an easy smash hit from a fans perspective but it's a huge endeavor from the dev's perspective. Heck just the idea of splitting the game up into multiple parts was a huge concession they decided to make, so that they can give the sections of the game the time they deserve. There's also huge creative risk in revisiting a classic and reinterpreting the characters and ruining people's opinion of the franchise. Big money from Sony 100% is a difference maker imo.
Third party exclusivity sucks. Sucks it won't be coming to xbox. I have been rushing through Rebirth in hopes it came to xbox, where i would have taken my time going for achievements.
I guess it depends on the Disney cut. I'm not sure how it works with KH being owned by Disney but if it's too high I could see SE cutting a deal with Sony to mitigate costs.
That entire depends on the deal between Disney & Sony.
SE has 0 say in Kingdom Hearts as an IP.
Exclusivity arguments here are always the same, circular and pointless, because a lot of the bluster over exclusivity is mostly disingenuous. A lot of folks in this community love to claim exclusives are some dated concept until a platform doesn't have any. Then its a lot of Playstation fan pants shitting over Sony's CEO announcing not having any "first party exclusives" until 2025 or xbox fans melting down over the mere thought of Starfield or Indiana Jones being on Playstation. And of course the goal post moving over what constitutes a "money hat" and which types of exclusives are acceptable or not (which usually amounts to "which are the ones my favorite company does?"). Oh see it's different cause buying a publisher isn't a money hat. Oh it's different because the developers needed the money. Oh its different because its a smaller game not AAA so it doesn't count.
??they not on PlayStation either lol unfortunately. They mobile games. All the actual console games u can play on everything now(except steam)
That's what im wondering I dont think Disney has a problem with exclusives. I doubt it tho probably kh is a different ballpark than a ff
I was expecting this but nice to have confirmation now (even if the news suck).
I've muted so many words on twitter and ignored lots of threads on ERA to try to not get spoiled on Rebirth. The wait for the PC version sucks.
I've muted so many words on twitter and ignored lots of threads on ERA to try to not get spoiled on Rebirth. The wait for the PC version sucks.