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Watch Dogs Legion Has a TERF Hosting Its In-Game Podcast (update: being removed from the game)
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Our leftmost media outlets here are overrun with TERFs and 'gender critical' types. It was an accurate assessment.
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I live in the UK and don't agree the leftmost media is overrun with these people. The media also does not represent the entire country, so it is not an accurate statement.
Haven't read said spoiler yet, but Clint Hocking was one of the few to restore my faith in industry writers after the nuanced interplay at work in Far Cry 2. Hard to believe that a single game or two could cement a man his place in the upper echelon of western AAA game creatives, but alas, it was that special, sonneh.
If Legion does indeed take a nosedive in this regard, it would be a shame. >_< Supposedly, the story and dialogue were done by two other leads besides Clint, who is officially the game director. But that's no help to the case -- it is from the director that all elements must gain approval. Whether he outlined it from the get go or let them operate independently with occasional input, I'd presume the story is just as much his as it is theirs.
I have a way to go nevertheless so we shall see where this train choo-choo's. :p
Depends on your size criteria for leftmost I suppose, if we're talking large newspapers that means The Guardian (which for the record isn't particularly leftwing), and they're so rammed of TERF rhetoric that the US Guardian had to post an open lettter criticising how transphobic the rest of The Guardian was
Would you also take offence if the word transphobic with racist? It's obvious what that poster is saying. Transphobia is a massive problem in the UK.
I'm from England and the UK has a huge problem with transphobia in the media and a huge amount of fucking "gender critical" pieces of shit. Plenty of TERFs are deeply in bed with far right hate groups. It's a big problem.
What is with the #NotallUK folks?
What is with the #NotallUK folks?
Heck even FC3 which did have it's fair share of issues was about the whole white savior trope. FC4 also had a similiar theme but more so focused on a dictatorship.
They weren't perfect mind you but to see such a big downgrade compared to this is just mind boggling.
Let me whine about someone saying the UK is transphobic while..
- Transphobic hate crimes have quadrupled in the past 5 years
- GRA reform was scrapped despite majority approval
- Homophobic 'concerns' of yesteryear are being recycled in public discourse around trans people
- Links to trans charities and support organisations are quietly removed by the BBC
- Tweets regarding support for pronouns are removed due to public backlash
- One of the most left-leaning large media outlets is called out for transphobia by their US counterpart
- The BBC considers Pride alright for staff to attend unless you're going in support of the "trans issue"
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In Ubisofts... defence?? It's not like any other media in this country or the US has any problem platforming her, transphobia amongst the UK journo class is so commonly accepted, overlooked and encouraged
This is really sad, I was so impressed with those podcasts and now it looks like they were just setting me up for a fall from higher up.
Snap. I mean fuck Ubisoft anyway (above) but I was willing to give kudos for that recent narrative script in the game. Turns out I spoke too soon on that though. Fool me once and all that.
This response, and some in the recent thread you made, reminds me of a section from a recent article on Cyberpunk 2077.
You should really read this well sourced post:
and fucking spare me.
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As much as I dis-agree with the sentiments of the "podcaster" expressed - Helen Lewis? - I really hate the idea of othering people by calling them TERFs. Call them bigots, people who have hateful ideologies etc, but don't dehumanise them.
The only reason I even have this game was because of my 3080. And I haven't had activated the code. With that spoiler, I'll gladly let the code expire.
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Come the fuck on, it's not dehumanizing to categorize somebody by an acronym that literally describes their ideology.
Would "white supremacist" be a dehumanizing term too?
Again with this? TERF is not a slur, it is an acronym. And the TERFs are the ones with the dehumanising rhetoric, not the people whose rights are being challenged and rolled back.
Also a reminder that TERFs literally invented the term themselves.
How is this 'dehumanising' someone to a greater capacity than calling them a bigot? It's literally an acronym for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, which is pretty descriptive (although the first two parts far more so than the latter).
You don't combat hate by being hateful - I mean the whole of the middle-east is an object lesson of that philosophy.
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How is it a hateful term? Is racist or homophobe a hateful term too for you?
I don't disagree with any of those points and would never try to defend the transphobic issues our country and society has, apologies if it came off that way. The wording came across as all UK people are transphobic shits and I guess it triggered me a bit, that's more on me and my shitty day than anything else. I know full well that's not what was meant and have no issue with what the poster said.
My hasty response came across in my head more as "we're still here fighting for trans rights despite all the bullshit" but it clearly did not come across that way lol, sorry. Believe it or not and for the little it's worth, most of us are fully aware the BBC is a biased right wing propaganda machine and I can't remember the last time I spoke to somebody who valued it.
Hard to take seriously but if it is then Judith Butler has a better pushback from a recent interview than I would do justice by paraphrasing.
Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in “anti-intellectual times”
The philosopher and gender theorist discusses tensions in the feminist movement over trans rights
www.newstatesman.com
Good grief. What an apalling choice. I had thought of getting this game in the future. Not with Helen Lewis in it I won't.
No racist or homophobe are not hateful terms - I guess the key is the vitriol with which the term TERF is used.
Given the replies to my initial thought, it's clear that the majority of this thread thinks that I'm incorrect in my thinking that TERF is being used in a derogatory manner.
ah man, the terf meltdown after this interview was greatHard to take seriously but if it is then Judith Butler has a better pushback from a recent interview than I would do justice by paraphrasing.
Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in “anti-intellectual times”
The philosopher and gender theorist discusses tensions in the feminist movement over trans rights
Yeah TERF itself isn't derogatory, there's no argument for that. It's an accurate description of their beliefs and was originally coined by them.
You are right that the term is often used with vitriol but rightly so - it's a harmful belief to hold
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If it's vicious it's because transphobia is a vicious ideology. This is the same argument racists make when playing victim.
Thanks for highlighting this. It might be worth reaching out to Ubisoft (specifically the Toronto studio) in some fashion because I know quite a few people working there have tried to be inclusive in things like narrative systems (profiler details about chest binding, hormones treatments, etc etc) so I think this is going to be really disappointing to them too if they don't already know about it. (In my experience, on a project with thousands of people and an equally large number of moving parts, sometimes you really don't find out about something like this until after the game ships.) It might realistically be possible to have the content in question modified or pulled. See the AC Odyssey DLC as an example of an campaign by players to have offensive and harmful content altered. (I know the end result isn't what people wanted but this case could be different, especially since they could consider re-recording with a different VA or just pull her stuff entirely.) I know the damage has been done but there might be a path forward to something less transphobic in this particular area of the game.
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Ya know it was but a week ago someone questioned me when I said I hate and distrust humanity.
Nazi is some how I'm the running for president, CDPR continues to be TransPhobic, JK is being her TERF as self and now on top of being the Rape Company Ubisoft hires a known fucking TERF.
Humanity needs fired into the fucking sun.
Nazi is some how I'm the running for president, CDPR continues to be TransPhobic, JK is being her TERF as self and now on top of being the Rape Company Ubisoft hires a known fucking TERF.
Humanity needs fired into the fucking sun.
Haha fuck this game.
I dunno maybe London cops are nothing like US cops, this isn't something I actually know anything about. But that spoiler is a huge turn off, and just knocked this game off my "I'll try it at $20" list.
A TERF Guardian journalist as the face of an anti-fascist resistance is so painfully on brand for Britain it'd be funny if it wasn't so infuriating.
Also, as a British trans person, massive sideeye to all the posters that seem to take more umbrage with the UK being called transphobic, than transphobia itself.
Also, as a British trans person, massive sideeye to all the posters that seem to take more umbrage with the UK being called transphobic, than transphobia itself.
Well put.
Trans people deserve much better than this garbage. Anybody complaining need to shut up and think about how trans people are feeling.
1) what last of us had ?
2) why do you think it is a resetera problem and not a transphobia problem ?
There's plenty of TERFs in the rest of the UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have plenty of bigots and often get away with it by saying it's the English rather than look at what's going on in their own groups. Pretty sure there have been quite a few politicians in the SNP spout TERF rhetoric for example. It's a UK problem not an English problem
Thank you for taking the time to put this together.
They may not, but transphobia is widely accepted by the mainstream over there.
What the fuck.
To clarify; I was born in, and have always lived in the UK. I'm not disagreeing with the statements regarding a lot of the mainstream media being anti-trans, I'm just saying please don't make sweeping generalisations and paint the whole country with the same brush. As others have echoed in this thread, the mainstream media does not represent all of us.