Watching “The Newsroom” in 2019

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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Critics of this show pretend like everyone was all "yeah, whatever, I'm going back to Minecraft" when the Bin Laden raid was announced live.

Shit was an event.
 

Sokrates

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Oct 27, 2017
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Critics of this show pretend like everyone was all "yeah, whatever, I'm going back to Minecraft" when the Bin Laden raid was announced live.

Shit was an event.
It’s not so much that people are denying the event it’s status but rather it’s about how it was used in the show for melodramatic purposes to make the main character look solemn and correct. If it had just played out with the journalists and pilots cheering without the whole confrontation between the character and flight attendant people would be fine.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
6,270
It’s not so much that people are denying the event it’s status but rather it’s about how it was used in the show for melodramatic purposes to make the main character look solemn and correct. If it had just played out with the journalists and pilots cheering without the whole confrontation between the character and flight attendant people would be fine.
The point of that scene is that he's losing his shit on an airplane when it's totally not okay to lose your shit on an airplane in a post-9/11 world.

His pause is coming to an understanding of what the pilots and flight crew are being dicks about - the original hijacking completely changed Western air travel.
 

Sokrates

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Oct 27, 2017
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The point of that scene is that he's losing his shit on an airplane when it's totally not okay to lose your shit on an airplane in a post-9/11 world.

His pause is coming to an understanding of what the pilots and flight crew are being dicks about - the original hijacking completely changed Western air travel.
Was it really necessary for him to refer to the flight attendant as crazy lady? It just reeks of sexism. And the whole reason for him being confrontational is stupid. He could have just said it casually without taking over the plane.
 

ClivePwned

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Oct 27, 2017
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Cambridge, UK
I liked it, it's also outstandingly pretentious and pompous. Every one in it is so self-righteous, so just like Era (jk)
Never watched West Wing but that was the same feeling I got from Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
 

Tuppen

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Nov 28, 2017
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I liked it, it's also outstandingly pretentious and pompous. Every one in it is so self-righteous, so just like Era (jk)
Never watched West Wing but that was the same feeling I got from Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
I don't think (jk) is needed.

For the record I really like Sorkin dialog and enjoys most of his work.
 

TTG

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Apr 16, 2019
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I liked The Newsroom despite all of the objectively terrible things about it(which would take the better part of an hour to list). Fortunately for anyone one the fence, this is a show where the pilot is a real high point, so that makes it easy. The last season is an outright disaster, but I really started to enjoy Munn's character.

I was considering linking the opening scene to counter that airplane clip everyone is quoting, but I think it's yet another thing Trump has ruined.


One of my fav shows and I’ve been on a mission to civilize for years since
Progress is slow, but we're in it for the long haul.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Finland
I generally liked it, but it bothered me a bit how most (all?) characters seemed to be just mouthpieces for Sorkin and everyone seemed to be loaded with witty quips to lash out at any moment. The characters didn't feel natural and distinct enough because of this.
 

dosh

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Oct 25, 2017
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Season 2 is strong. Interesting premise and a show stopping scene from Jane Fonda.
Several actually, but I think I see the one you're referring to. Sam Waterston is godlike in every single episode as well. I don't think I've ever seen an actor channel such a perfect cable news president. He's a bit cliché at times I guess, but great nonetheless, down to the bow tie.
 

Haubergeon

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Jan 22, 2019
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There's something fundamentally hilarious to me about Sorkin making a show whose premise is that good journalism can educate the public, improve the national discourse, and change the world, but then have American politics and culture play out almost exactly as it does in our world.

At least with the West Wing, where Bartlett was an idealised President, Sorkin didn't really follow our reality and could depict Bartlett actually achieving things that weren't achieved in reality!
Yes! This is exactly the criticism I would mention and it's ultimately the greatest summing up of how impotent and pathetic Sorkin's worldview is. The entire foundation of the show is "man, wouldn't the world be different if the Goddamn News would actually Stand For Something? Wouldn't the world be a different place?" and then, no, actually, the world is exactly the same, it just has self righteous liberals monologuing on the news about how This Country Used To Be Something, Dammit, and literally everything just plays out exactly the same thing as in reality anyway. Nothing has changed. Nothing is better.

Even with the West Wing honestly, despite Sorkin being able to write a liberal fanfiction version of a Presidency, even in his idealised fantasies, the President for the most part of the show accomplishes practically nothing and most major achievements are ideally "bipartisan." The show left-punches pretty commonly, it's just, again, Sorkin writing characters as mouthpieces to make overly-wordy and melodramatic speeches Dawson's Creek-style without any actual ideological core to how average people benefit from them doing whatever it is they're doing. It's this weird ideology of pageantry.
 

clevbrowns95

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Nov 8, 2017
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This show is peak neoliberal Sorkin nonsense.
I love watching this clip. It's like an onion of awful with so many layers. Of note, I'm pretty sure it was a bad idea for the captain to come out of the cockpit like that. What if this guy was really a terrorist wanting to take over the plane?