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Watchmen |OT| This is the Moment
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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That Veidt scene tho, what the fuck
Just casually burning a clone to death. Is he just bored or ya think Veidt wants to make his own dr Manhattan? Are his scenes happening at the same time as the Tulsa stuff? It's gotta be sometime recently right, given his age?
Just casually burning a clone to death. Is he just bored or ya think Veidt wants to make his own dr Manhattan? Are his scenes happening at the same time as the Tulsa stuff? It's gotta be sometime recently right, given his age?
Hmmm, that is interesting.
For sure. The shot of the costumed detectives from the body bag really stood out to me in that way
I thought it was really clever that the "American Hero Story" scene had Zack Snyder esque action versus the grounded way that it probably actually looked like in this world.
Paul's Boutique and Watchman is my late 80s playlist.
Well remember he always had the German Propoganda Flyer for Black American's with "Watch Over This Boy" which was real
This episode Like the first one is Swimming in nods and homages to watchmen but somehow doesn't feel fansevicey to me.
Even structurally it seems like It could be forming if the trend of this episode continues
the tv show = under the hood
is The Irons thread the Tales of the black freighter homage? (Not too positive of this connection)
the newspaper stand in both
kids dressed up as a pirate and owl, tons of watch imagery, ride of valkeries was referenced in chapter 1 of under the hood book, etc
Even structurally it seems like It could be forming if the trend of this episode continues
the tv show = under the hood
is The Irons thread the Tales of the black freighter homage? (Not too positive of this connection)
the newspaper stand in both
kids dressed up as a pirate and owl, tons of watch imagery, ride of valkeries was referenced in chapter 1 of under the hood book, etc
I knew something was up with that kid last week when he said "You wanted to punch him". It was just too on the nose.
I'm glad that a lot of the theories from last week -- the servants being genetic experiments, Ozymandias being obsessed with Manhattan and probably wanting to make another (or two), the old man being Hooded Justice, the movie in Tulsa being direct foreshadowing -- are being confirmed or all but instead of obfuscated. There's a difference between dropping into a world in media res to pick things up as you go and deliberately obfuscating things for cheap mystery points. I'd imagine that it's a lot for someone unfamiliar with Watchmen to tangle with, but it's nice to have things line up as someone who's read the book.
I'm glad that a lot of the theories from last week -- the servants being genetic experiments, Ozymandias being obsessed with Manhattan and probably wanting to make another (or two), the old man being Hooded Justice, the movie in Tulsa being direct foreshadowing -- are being confirmed or all but instead of obfuscated. There's a difference between dropping into a world in media res to pick things up as you go and deliberately obfuscating things for cheap mystery points. I'd imagine that it's a lot for someone unfamiliar with Watchmen to tangle with, but it's nice to have things line up as someone who's read the book.
You should definitely get around to it, also has a great Regina King performance in Season 2 and some of the same DNA of this show.
Another solid episode. Based on some of the hints being thrown around there seems to be a secret international organization with advanced technology (possibly nazis?) who are helping minorities right the wrongs of the past but they most likely have their own ulterior motives. They are probably the ones who are helping the old man.
That, the gut check of the klan outfit, and that Judd could of been the other 7K attacker in the house all seem too easy of an answer. Its too spoon fed.
*too dumb
Anywho, this episode was even better than the first. The show keeps surprising.
Something I noticed is that Regina King has such striking and unique-looking eyes, that her costume doesn't really disguise her. Anyone who knows her would recognize her immediately. She needs some kind of sunglasses.
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I have two questions:
Is this show worth getting HBO for?
How pissed is Moore about its existence?
Is this show worth getting HBO for?
How pissed is Moore about its existence?
I think HBO Now is worth it for a lot of shows if you haven't seen them, but for this show alone? I don't know. I know Amazon and Hulu offered free trials to HBO in the past on their service for a week at a time. Maybe look into that first, see if you like it. Assuming you already have one of them, of course.
I liked the 2nd episode a lot more than the first. This one actually made me excited for the show.
The Dude
wears Hooded Justice colors exclusively
Idolizes a black lawman who strings up corrupt lawmen with Hooded Justice iconography
Strings up corrupt lawmen with Hooded Justice iconography
Has friends with vigilante tech
Is the grandfather of a masked vigilante
The show
Is laying down Hooded Justice knowledge second maybe only to Dr. Manhattan, in terms of catch-ups/introductions to old masks
States that the dead body that was thought to be Hooded Justice, wasn't (albeit through the conceit that it was a diegetic documentary that might be wrong)
Shows how black American soldiers might buy into German Nazism (or at least, why-am-I-fighting-for-these-people-anti-Americanism) through the lens of racial injustice and violence in America
Opens with probably the most grievous post-slavery instance of racial injustice and violence in America
Has the boy who is The Dude be a direct victim of that grievous American racial injustice
I'm positive 1) that there's other stuff I've glossed over and 2) that it would be some platinum-tier cheap fuckery to not have The Dude be Hooded Justice. In a show that's probably moderately-to-highly confusing to people not familiar with the source material, I don't think that a central component being fairly obvious discounts it from being almost certainly true. You gotta give people something they can grasp onto. If he isn't Hooded Justice, why are they talking about him? If he isn't Hooded Justice, who is?
I'm more than happy to buy into this, because if I'm wrong, it'd be pretty hard for that to not be some cheapness that I'm hoping the show is better than
wears Hooded Justice colors exclusively
Idolizes a black lawman who strings up corrupt lawmen with Hooded Justice iconography
Strings up corrupt lawmen with Hooded Justice iconography
Has friends with vigilante tech
Is the grandfather of a masked vigilante
The show
Is laying down Hooded Justice knowledge second maybe only to Dr. Manhattan, in terms of catch-ups/introductions to old masks
States that the dead body that was thought to be Hooded Justice, wasn't (albeit through the conceit that it was a diegetic documentary that might be wrong)
Shows how black American soldiers might buy into German Nazism (or at least, why-am-I-fighting-for-these-people-anti-Americanism) through the lens of racial injustice and violence in America
Opens with probably the most grievous post-slavery instance of racial injustice and violence in America
Has the boy who is The Dude be a direct victim of that grievous American racial injustice
I'm positive 1) that there's other stuff I've glossed over and 2) that it would be some platinum-tier cheap fuckery to not have The Dude be Hooded Justice. In a show that's probably moderately-to-highly confusing to people not familiar with the source material, I don't think that a central component being fairly obvious discounts it from being almost certainly true. You gotta give people something they can grasp onto. If he isn't Hooded Justice, why are they talking about him? If he isn't Hooded Justice, who is?
I'm more than happy to buy into this, because if I'm wrong, it'd be pretty hard for that to not be some cheapness that I'm hoping the show is better than
Nah, buy the season when it's finished if you can wait.
Moore hates it, but the creator dgaf
Good episode, except less weird stuff. My only qualm is Angela being completely fucking sold on Jud being her best friend or whatever. You're telling me they went through however many years together and she couldn't get a real read on him or he didn't slip once? She picked up on gramps quickly enough, but Jud was too great an actor? Hadn't noticed that all his friends except her are white or something.
From the flash back, they've only been really good friends or what, like 4-5 years? Like she only knew him as a superior officer but then maybe they got super close as they both had to rebuild the police force from nothing. Or have they been friends for a long time?
That doesn't seem really that strange to me that she wouldn't pick up in it. People can keep secrets for a looooooong time. Possible she also turned a blind eye if he did sketchy stuff since maybe the trauma of the shooting brought them together.
All good points. But Lindelof has said the comic is canon and Hooded Justice was white under the hood. Also he was presumed to be gay.
The boy and Dr. Manhattan were both building the cattle that the guy with the clone servants lives in.
The black cop who got shot to kick things off apparently liked Judd a lot too. I wouldn't be surprised if Judd was 7K, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit topsy-turvier than that, either. The show is really leaning into aligning things that.. aren't in our political environment/reality. It's a weird mish-mash of extremes, and it wouldn't blow my socks off to learn that applied to Judd as well, and he was involved in the larger conspiracy.
In the comic, IIRC it's heavily implied that The Comedian killed Hooded Justice, possibly as some sort of retribution for HJ kicking the shit out of him after tried to rape Silk Spectre 1. But the show went out of its way tonight to say that there's at least an in-universe theory that the murder presumed to be Hooded Justice wasn't him. It's hard to say why you would do that if it didn't mean anything (outside of cheap misdirection). TV and movies don't show every time the characters go to the bathroom for a reason, and the opposite is just as true -- you don't throw a line like that in for no reason.
Is there a panel that shows it? Not that I don't believe you, I just can't remember it.
I say yes, but that decision is also based on a lot of quality programing. As for Moore, he hasn't said anything in this particular instance but he never is thrilled about it.
Episode 2 felt worse than 1 to me, it keeps getting more mysterious in random ways that don't really feel connected at all to me. Every time the show starts delving deeper into something it runs off to a whole new time and location. I'm getting the feeling the show will be much better appreciated if you binge all 9 episodes back to back instead of waiting week to wait, because right now I really have nothing to grasp onto other than "ok Louis Gossett Jr is weird as fuck oh wait Ozymandias is even fucking weirder and crazier".
I'm losing interest but since its only 9 episodes and a complete story I'll stick with it, but hope they start connecting stuff more instead of just teasing out more mysteries.
I'm losing interest but since its only 9 episodes and a complete story I'll stick with it, but hope they start connecting stuff more instead of just teasing out more mysteries.
Yo what if there were polar bears on a tropical island :o
Man, you know how UPSET white Americans would be if black people in America received reparations for the 400 years of slavery in the form of a lifetime tax exemption????
Bruh...I can't imagine.
Bruh...I can't imagine.
The black soldiers were wearing World War I uniform, so it is not Nazi Germany.
Because the note wasn't WWII it was WWI
Just saw you edited. But yeah. It was WWI
This also happened in WWI.
I believe the episode even pulled from this note specifically.