Wow how did I glance over all these posts. Of course that was NiN in the end credits. How the fuck do they keep getting more dope each year?
Always imagined his mask more like a lavalamp type deal. heat from his face acting as the lamp, sort of.what about Rorschach's mask? there is something supernatural about that.
what about Rorschach's mask? there is something supernatural about that.
Does the guy with the silver mirror mask have a superpower or is he just really good at reading people's faces.
...Watchman is political as much as Superman loves tights, what the fuckit just becomes embarassing when you try and make it about ''politics'' with watchmen. when that wasn't moore's core intent at all. and considering they gave most if not all of the characters extremely apparent flaws to highlight the point moore intended with his story, you can actually pinpoint the multitude of traits each character have.
veidt for instance is a textbook narcissist (which is also a personality disorder)
Why do you quote people and remove their entire post?it just becomes embarassing when you try and make it about ''politics'' with watchmen. when that wasn't moore's core intent at all. and considering they gave most if not all of the characters extremely apparent flaws to highlight the point moore intended with his story, you can actually pinpoint the multitude of traits each character have.
veidt for instance is a textbook narcissist (which is also a personality disorder)
How can a story's narrative be political and yet not be describable as political?
what about Rorschach's mask? there is something supernatural about that.
I also wanted to write about power politics. Ronald Reagan was president. But I worried readers might switch off if they thought I was attacking someone they admired. So we set Watchmen in a world where Nixon was in his fourth term — because you're not going to get much argument that Nixon was scum! For me, the '80s were worrying. "Mutually assured destruction." "Voodoo economics." A culture of complacency… I was writing about times I lived
This show gives a big ass middle finger to the alt-right, they aren't taking it well.
You dead-ass trying to claim Watchmen of all things wasn't political?it just becomes embarassing when you try and make it about ''politics'' with watchmen. when that wasn't moore's core intent at all. and considering they gave most if not all of the characters extremely apparent flaws to highlight the point moore intended with his story, you can actually pinpoint the multitude of traits each character have.
veidt for instance is a textbook narcissist (which is also a personality disorder)
I was honestly pretty bored by most of the pilot. Couldn't really bring myself to care about any of the characters beside the little boy from the riots. Then a bunch of little things, like characters wearing masks inconsistently, a cop wearing a dirty panda head for no reason. A shootout with cows that just made me feel bad for the cows. Like...I'm not seeing anything special here. Hopefully the next episodes are as good as the reviews say cause this is just extremely mediocre with a big budget.
You see characters wearing masks in places where they shouldn't have to, like in the police station or when they're taking down the plane in the spaceship. Some characters don't wear masks. Some characters where the same mask, others use custom ones. One guy uses a dirty panda head for some reason.
Normal grunts use the same yellow masks, the high ranked officers use custom ones to be recognizable.You see characters wearing masks in places where they shouldn't have to, like in the police station or when they're taking down the plane in the spaceship. Some characters don't wear masks. Some characters where the same mask, others use custom ones. One guy uses a dirty panda head for some reason.
It just kinda bothers me, like are the masks optional or what?
Ballsy to mostly forego exposition and just throw the viewer into the world. Did the Leftovers also do this?
Not surprised Nazis are in their feelings about this. Then the apolitical trolls who think Watchmen isn't political or that this is suddenly now ess jay double yoo. They know nothing about the source material or what was Moore's intentions about Rorschach and his criticism of Steve Ditko Randian superheroes.
I would re-read the book in the context of Moore actually knowing what MAD is.
It's pretty funny that they would want to be recognizable when the whole point is to hide their identity.Normal grunts use the same yellow masks, the high ranked officers use custom ones to be recognizable.
Police station, you expect crooks to be there in cells, or witnesses, or whoever random.
They are symbols of terror. It is like Batman.It's pretty funny that they would want to be recognizable when the whole point is to hide their identity.
yeah, just no.
because what moore wanted to do, that sparked the whole idea of watchmen was to show how pathetic and childish the notion of ''superheroes'' were. the idea of these super do good individuals, who all look like shiny supermodels, parading and whom almost never got tempted by evil, eventhough one of them alone could rule the world if they decided it to be so.
literally EVERY single character got a multitude of traits written into them, that you can identify both through action and by things they say throughout the entire story that put them all on different spectrums that you can find in icd and dsm manuals. that's the point with watchmen, there is no such thing as superheroes and if they did exist and behaved like they do in the comics, with masking themselves and running around with secret identities something would have to be seriously fucking wrong in their head to cause such behavior in the first place.
You see characters wearing masks in places where they shouldn't have to, like in the police station or when they're taking down the plane in the spaceship. Some characters don't wear masks. Some characters where the same mask, others use custom ones. One guy uses a dirty panda head for some reason.
It just kinda bothers me, like are the masks optional or what?
So Batman is a chump for having a recognizable mask?It's pretty funny that they would want to be recognizable when the whole point is to hide their identity.
I think I'll go with Moore literally talking about the politics on this one.yeah, just no.
because what moore wanted to do, that sparked the whole idea of watchmen was to show how pathetic and childish the notion of ''superheroes'' were. the idea of these super do good individuals, who all look like shiny supermodels, parading and whom almost never got tempted by evil, eventhough one of them alone could rule the world if they decided it to be so.
literally EVERY single character got a multitude of traits written into them, that you can identify both through action and by things they say throughout the entire story that put them all on different spectrums that you can find in icd and dsm manuals. that's the point with watchmen, there is no such thing as superheroes and if they did exist and behaved like they do in the comics, with masking themselves and running around with secret identities something would have to be seriously fucking wrong in their head to cause such behavior in the first place.
It's pretty funny that they would want to be recognizable when the whole point is to hide their identity.
None of that makes the comic not be political. You even said the narrative is political, which makes the comic political. The narrative is part of the comic.no, i'm saying that the intent was to play around with the concept of ''superheroes'' and that the notion these could exist in a realistic context (the way the are in comics) is pathetic. and that every single one of the main characters counciously got written in ways where they show severe mental deficiencies throughout the story, both trough action and speech.
meaning, the thing that drives them and cause them to act and behave the way they do, has fuck all to do with their political views, and is rooted in all of them suffering from mental problems. (including jon, litterally emotionally dead but somehow purely political? i lol'd)
As far as I know Batman didn't start wearing a mask specifically because he was afraid of white nationalist terrorists killing him. Unless I'm getting something wrong about why the police wear masks in this show. If I was a terrorist that managed to scare the police so bad they had to where masks even behind closed doors it wouldn't particularly scare me to know some of them wear red ones, or panda heads.
Moore is saying something else.
Wouldn't it scare you if you heard about a guy with a silver mask that can get anything out of you? Or of a Sister Night who will gladly beat you to a pulp? And then see them walk in... That is the difference between the yellow masks and the 'specific' masks.If I was a terrorist that managed to scare the police so bad they had to where masks even behind closed doors it wouldn't particularly scare me to know some of them wear red ones, or panda heads.
no, i'm saying that the intent was to play around with the concept of ''superheroes'' and that the notion these could exist in a realistic context (the way the are in comics) is pathetic. and that every single one of the main characters counciously got written in ways where they show severe mental deficiencies throughout the story, both trough action and speech.
meaning, the thing that drives them and cause them to act and behave the way they do, has fuck all to do with their political views, and is rooted in all of them suffering from mental problems. (including jon, litterally emotionally dead but somehow purely political? i lol'd)
It's recognition of personhood within the police department, not so much recognition from the outside (at least as far as I can tell). Mask denotes rank while concealing identity.It's pretty funny that they would want to be recognizable when the whole point is to hide their identity.
''adult fans of superheroes are "emotionally subnormal" and that costumed crusaders are "abominations."
Readers of superhero comics are "an audience largely of 30-, 40-, 50-, 60-year old men," Moore says. "Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal."
He continues: "I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults going to see the Avengers movie and delighting in concepts and characters meant to entertain the 12-year-old boys of the 1950s."