Ok, so I wasn't crazy... Young Angela was played by the same actress as Darla in Shazam. Faithe Herman, she's so good.
What a weird, patronizing response. 5 seconds of Google will tell you that Mr. Robot is considered (critically / dramatically) on top of the TV world right now. I'm still behind (fell off in the 2nd season due to other obligations) and even I know that it's been firing on all cylinders for at least 2 seasons. Which is one more than Watchmen even if you disregarded everything else.
Or maybe you take a step back and appreciate that there are 2+ great shows out there instead of trying to crown yours the king. Who knows?
Histrionics? I made clear I haven't even seen the last 2.5 seasons, I have no love beyond meaning to watch it later. I just see you being weirdly aggressive in your posts.
i dont know if its love or his idea of what love is. its dr. manhattan, so i dont doubt there's some level of detachment from everything we know as the concept of love and probably veers onto a curiosity that he enjoys viewing and the Kal personality with the "amnesia" was a way for him to be able to experience on what he can call a "human" level.The more I think about it the less I like the Manhattan reveal, he had become so detached from humanity there was almost nothing left of the original man he was. He was quite literally a God. Why he would go back to Earth and find love again. I'm having quite the problem believing he was capable of it or would care about any of them. How they might appeal to such a being was a question I wanted to see happen, and now we find out love solves all. It comes off hollow to me.
Enough with the histrionics. I'm well aware that y'all love Mr. Robot.
Esmail's squad does good work.
He wasn't totally detached by the end of the book though. Laurie convinced him humanity was worth saving and he came to view life as a miracle.The more I think about it the less I like the Manhattan reveal, he had become so detached from humanity there was almost nothing left of the original man he was. He was quite literally a God. Why he would go back to Earth and find love again. I'm having quite the problem believing he was capable of it or would care about any of them. How they might appeal to such a being was a question I wanted to see happen, and now we find out love solves all. It comes off hollow to me.
i dont know if its love or his idea of what love is. its dr. manhattan, so i dont doubt there's some level of detachment from everything we know as the concept of love and probably veers onto a curiosity that he enjoys viewing and the Kal personality with the "amnesia" was a way for him to be able to experience on what he can call a "human" level.
He wasn't totally detached by the end of the book though. Laurie convinced him humanity was worth saving and he came to view life as a miracle.
Have they shown us President Redford in this show yet? Wonder if he isn't important besides the Viedt connection and the reparations.
Not yet, but I think we do get to see him. I remember a news story that Redford would actually play himself.
Ok, so I wasn't crazy... Young Angela was played by the same actress as Darla in Shazam. Faithe Herman, she's so good.
i fully expect we'll get the John answer next week. His intervention in the Vietnam war will also play a part in it too. Whether it's guilt or whatever he views as being his kind of guilt that brought him back to Vietnam to experience what he had wrought on that country and he just so happens to meet Angela and see's beyond her present and future, but glimpses into a past he finds fascinating. everything John does is with a degree of detachment that viewer/reader will find uncomfortable and unsatisfying, but that's the kind of character he is.The only way I can believe he'd do it is if it was part of an experiment for him.
He almost didn't and unlikely any other could have convinced him. At the end he was pretty much finished with people and the things they do.
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I'm with a few of y'all on the Manhattan reveal. It does seem strange for him to come back and mingle with the peasants again but I'm hoping they've got a good solve for that. They don't have a ton of time to flesh out his character.
i fully expect we'll get the John answer next week. His intervention in the Vietnam war will also play a part in it too. Whether it's guilt or whatever he views as being his kind of guilt that brought him back to Vietnam to experience what he had wrought on that country and he just so happens to meet Angela and see's beyond her present and future, but glimpses into a past he finds fascinating. everything John does is with a degree of detachment that viewer/reader will find uncomfortable and unsatisfying, but that's the kind of character he is.
I'm with a few of y'all on the Manhattan reveal. It does seem strange for him to come back and mingle with the peasants again but I'm hoping they've got a good solve for that. They don't have a ton of time to flesh out his character.
That's not true at all. His last exchange in the book is him saying he has regained interest in life and will probably go and create some. His arc in the book is about him regaining his connection to life despite being 'above' it, not abandoning it.The only way I can believe he'd do it is if it was part of an experiment for him.
He almost didn't and unlikely any other could have convinced him. At the end he was pretty much finished with people and the things they do.
That's not true at all. His last exchange in the book is him saying he has regained interest in life and will probably go and create some. His arc in the book is about him regaining his connection to life despite being 'above' it, not abandoning it.
oh my fucking god
edit: the whole dr Manhattan thing is fine, it fits his character.
Didn't hbo get bought by or merge with time Warner/Warner bros (which own DC) in the 80s? I'm pretty sure they could have done a watchmen show anytime, but lindelof had a good idea for a sequel/remix in recent years.HBO got bought by a company that has the Watchmen license. That's the reason.
Yeah I think people forget this. He's super detached during the middle part, but his ending isn't that. I mean, he still goes away, but there's more interest in life behind that.
There were so many small things at the end in their house that set it off (though by the time it was mentioned Jon was in Tulsa I figured it out). The book Cal was holding while he slept, the fucking planet poster in their kitchen. Damn this show is great
One weird thing: The splicing during Angela's parents' death of the Vietnamese men and the white men in Tulsa was weird. Were they implying a similarity there?
True but the Vietnamese were being colonized. Still feels like the wrong comparison.I think it was just paralleling the defining, traumatic experiences of both Angela and Will's lives. And there is at least some similarity, as both involved violent, radical extremists.
From the POV of children it's the same. One memory leads to another. I don't think the show was making any political links just ones from the characters POV. Fits with angela's black and white world view too. Remember how she wanted to hear the guy get killed.True but the Vietnamese were being colonized. Still feels like the wrong comparison.
One weird thing: The splicing during Angela's parents' death of the Vietnamese men and the white men in Tulsa was weird. Were they implying a similarity there?
Oh holy fucking shit. Someone mentioned this blacksploitation movie on reddit. Fucking incredible.
I think it might be something along the lines of Angela being unwilling to let go of her memories and hurt, unable to accept Trieu's mind-wiping plan for the greater good. Because it will be Manhattan who'll be sacrificed to achieve it. Although maybe it'll be Laurie or even Looking Glass who has that Rorschach role.I really like that they've managed to turn one of the white characters in the original comic in to black man pretending to be white, and one of the black characters in the show in to a white man pretending to be black. (Even though I totally understand the concerns about white saviour - we'll see how it pans out). I feel like someone smarter than me will draw parallels between this and Rorschach's whole gimmick of seeing things in black and white rather than shades of grey, but I can't quite put it together myself.
so there are using elephant as nostalgia hard drive ? because of the expression elephant's memory ?
I really like that they've managed to turn one of the white characters in the original comic in to black man pretending to be white, and one of the black characters in the show in to a white man pretending to be black. (Even though I totally understand the concerns about white saviour - we'll see how it pans out). I feel like someone smarter than me will draw parallels between this and Rorschach's whole gimmick of seeing things in black and white rather than shades of grey, but I can't quite put it together myself.
That's what I'm expecting, the way it was presented the comics always felt like a one-in-a-billion this could never happen again event.I'm expecting Keene to just fucking explode into viscera in a hilarious failure, tbh. Bonus points if it looks like it succeeds for all of 10 seconds.
this fucking show. Another amazing episode.
So what do you guys think: is Veidt Trieu's dad and is he the thing that fell out of the sky on the farmland she bought? Did Looking Glass swipen that one missing Rorschach mask and is he now undercover in 7K?
I would almost be disappointed if this didn't happen. I want to see his racist ass die in the most ridiculous way possible.I'm expecting Keene to just fucking explode into viscera in a hilarious failure, tbh. Bonus points if it looks like it succeeds for all of 10 seconds.
this fucking show. Another amazing episode.
So what do you guys think: is Veidt Trieu's dad and is he the thing that fell out of the sky on the farmland she bought? Did Looking Glass swipen that one missing Rorschach mask and is he now undercover in 7K?
I'm half expecting some sort of parody for the Viedt stuff.Hmm, not sure I actually enjoyed this episode. Feels like it became way too weird all of a sudden; sure, the previous episodes were on the weirder side too but now it's going a bit too far for my tastes. Especially the fart scene, I mean come on.
I'm half expecting some sort of parody for the Viedt stuff.
Also, almost forgot till I saw your post.
https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/07/memo-sister-night.pdf
https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/07/calvin-medical-chart.pdf
Keene might be successful, but he probably won't know how to put himself back, and we may forever be haunted by his circulatory system floating around in various spots.I'm expecting Keene to just fucking explode into viscera in a hilarious failure, tbh. Bonus points if it looks like it succeeds for all of 10 seconds.
Jon didn't have any like particular goals in mind because he became Doctor Manhattan and besides that he lost his connection with his with humanity slowly over time that's why he began to wear progressively less clothingI'm honestly confused. Could a Manhattan even be racist? I thought the burden of being a superman is that you lose all your humanity and all these human matters just seem petty. Like I'm sure the 7ths Manhattan could do some damage but wouldn't he also eventually get bored?