Waypoint folded back into Vice Games, immediately loses unique editorial voice (Staff is still the same)
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The whole industry has been built around conspicuous consumption and leisure for decades. It's hardly exclusively a pastime of the idle rich, but it's why my eyes glaze over the moment that core gamers get mentioned just about anywhere
I consider people who openly want socialism extreme left. Not that that's a bad thing but it's extremely liberal.
I have a business and govt minor degree from the University of Texas at Austin. I've read literally tens of thousands of pages on govt. Thanks.
Danielle is sadly moving on from Waypoint too
Mate, Era is corporate apologist central. It can't be that far left by definition.
It's fairly centrist, just more socially progressive than most gaming communities. The fact that people think this site is anything more left than that just shows how far right the overton window is.
Damn, that sucks. I wasn't personally into what Waypoint was serving up, but I really appreciated their unique perspective within the game's media and I really liked some of their personalities (Austin, Patrick, Danielle). Hope they can keep doing what they've been doing without too much interruption or barriers.
You should like, read about anything that happened in the 20th century
And yet you think Era is extreme left. Perhaps you should read some more!
And while we're flexing academia to prop up our arguments, I have a degree in Journalism & Media Communications and minored in Political Science.
The only time I ever heard of them was when they put out a dumb article. I'm not surprised it has gone. Shame for the people who actually liked their stuff.
That's not the impression topics here give me. This is easily the most liberal forum I've ever seen on the internet and I belong to dem social groups on Facebook and other sites. Just saying the politics here are pretty far left.
I'm not flexing you insulted me. From what college?
this is wildly off topic but era is barely left leaning (especially on the gaming side) let alone extremely left
Yeah I'm almost on the "I'll have what he's having" train with that comment. Like, boy I wish I agreed we were socialist.
There's a thread on the same page that's "Games should cost more than they do" but where's the "Game devs should own the studios they work for" thread?
you don't hang out in many - any? - genuinely leftist spaces, then. era's centrist as hell, and actually leans right when it comes to, for instance, anything to do with crime/carceral 'justice'. ('lock 'em up and throw away the key' seems to basically be mantra for a lot of posters here, going by some of threads i've read--and i'm not talking about the Giant Bomb OT.)
if you want to get a look at a genuinely leftist video game community, go check out the waypoint forums. couldn't be more different from here.
You really should seek out their stuff. It was/is really good!
Look I like this place and it definitely leans further left then anywhere else of size worth mentioning I can think of but it's still all in an American viewpoint where leftism and liberalism are apparently the same thing. I know all Marxists got removed from the universities and basically all public life 40 years ago and were trying to get class consciousness into peoples heads from start but good lord
Waypoint wasnt perfect and leaned a bit into the general "I need a take for the week" that personality and OP-ed let projects always go to but they were trying to offer a rather unique view that's similar to what happened when GAF split off into this (that media is inherently political and observing that is important) I've never been convinced Vice would not fuck them and this doesnt help
Waypoint wasnt perfect and leaned a bit into the general "I need a take for the week" that personality and OP-ed let projects always go to but they were trying to offer a rather unique view that's similar to what happened when GAF split off into this (that media is inherently political and observing that is important) I've never been convinced Vice would not fuck them and this doesnt help
"Socialism is extremely liberal"
I don't even know where to begin with that statement...
I worry too. Look at the direction Polygon has gone in since their launch. Used to be video games, now a LOT of Kotaku-esque "culture" including wall to wall Endgame coverage when it came out. It's all ad rev driven.
Video games are a scam, huh? Shit, might as well get rid of my gaming PC and all my gaming-related stuff /s
Idk about the industry, but the games media, especially the bigger players, definitely skew left. I never saw anything valuable or unique from waypoint, all they have done is switch from political clickbait to non-political clickbait.
They had a tendency to alienate anyone who disagreed with them, even on the most banal topics. Something like this was a long time coming. Normally i would want to say something about games media changing into being more more YouTube/Streamer oriented than news source, but in Waypoints case: I considered them just as I considered Buzzfeed. They earned this through and through. Kotaku is a far better example of what you are trying to claim of Waypoint.
They had a tendency to alienate anyone who disagreed with them, even on the most banal topics. Something like this was a long time coming. Normally i would want to say something about games media changing into being more more YouTube/Streamer oriented than news source, but in Waypoints case: I considered them just as I considered Buzzfeed. They earned this through and through. Kotaku is a far better example of what you are trying to claim of Waypoint.
Just pointing out that those, like myself, who tend to swing more to the right politically are unashamedly safe for women, mame and lgbt. Not an exclusive trait of left-wing political supporters...
Slightly tired of the rhetoric that swinging to the right = bad.
Are we really going to argue that Era somehow isn't far left now? C'mon son.
Nothing wrong with it, it's a good thing considering the competition are cookie cutter variations of hellholes
Nothing wrong with it, it's a good thing considering the competition are cookie cutter variations of hellholes
Didn't one of their writers accuse an indie game of being transphobe - upsetting the developer who is openly trans?
If I remember correctly the site doubled down on this stance despite the developer being vocal on being upset/angry while challenging the accusation. As a member of LGBT this rubbed me the wrong way.
For the life of me I can't remember the title of the game.
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Maybe when they stop being racist, sexist assholes we can have that conversation.
It's not that we aren't leftist, but when RDR2's crunch hell was exposed, plenty of people were fine with those working conditions since they got big bonuses
Y'all really falling for the same creatures that desperately try and bait people in the women character design thread lmfao wouldn't be me
Imagine being attached to your political beliefs that badly to be offended, imagine being a roach.
Imagine being attached to your political beliefs that badly to be offended, imagine being a roach.
VICE is not in healthy shape, and bleeding all kinds of money. Waypoint doesn't ever seem to have much traction, even with audiences here that it should appeal to. Some kind of editorial change was probably necessary, though I don't know if this is it.
It sounds like they will just be working on games less, and have their duties split between Vice Games and other healthier parts of the VICE family.
It sounds like they will just be working on games less, and have their duties split between Vice Games and other healthier parts of the VICE family.
I didn't know that, they always seemed pretty positive to me overall in talking about inclusivity and while also being critical of the toxicity that surrounds gaming culture. I'm personally not aware of the article you are talking about, could you link it here?
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Also that's a total lie and you know it.
waypoint was the best in the business
i'm hopeful this reorganization won't affect quality of output too much
i'm hopeful this reorganization won't affect quality of output too much
If they're talking about The Red Strings article, they didn't double down on it. Austin has pointed to it as a specific example of times they've fucked up in the past, and they even had a followup article with the author of the game.
If Era was actually "far left", you wouldn't have threads like the off-topic one where >50% of people were stanning for billionaires.
Era's centrist as hell.
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I forget the name of the game as well, but it was a combination of the game's review commentary and an inflammatory tweet from someone at Vice that had the keys to Waypoint's Twitter that week while the regular staff that normally handled Waypoint social media was on vacation.
There was also the time Waypoint tried being clever by delivering GOTY content in the form of commissioned fanfiction and angered people with the publication of a forced feminization fic starring 9S from Nier: Automata. The response from trans readers was pretty strong against that.
They have handled a few situations poorly (this one, their fan fiction debacle) but a couple of examples of them doing something wrong and (imo anyway) not handling the criticism perfectly does not negate the overwhelming amount of good work they've done and, hopefully, will continue to do
Also swinging right is undeniably bad
Who are you calling a liar? Two posts in and I am already experiencing toxicity on this forum. First, someone insinuates I am a cockroach and now this.
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gotta love people deliberately misunderstanding the content they put out in order to dismiss them
(well it's either deliberate mischaracterization, or you're not very bright)
(well it's either deliberate mischaracterization, or you're not very bright)
and the piles of money injected by capitalists - well, let's not consider that
Lol. Your right side of things hates women so much you ban abortion before anyone can tell they're pregnant. You hate LGBT folks so much you tried to get an amendment to define marriage between a man and a woman. You hate trans folks so much you're kicking them out of the military and telling doctors they're allowed to not treat them