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Oct 25, 2017
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It's the "Papa Bear" thing from the LABO stream.
That, Snake Pass, Sea of Thieves and Resident Evil 7 VR are probably some of their best streams. There was one of the Bloodborne ones where Natalie just wasn't getting anywhere and looked like she was slowly dying inside while Danika was constantly singing and mocking her which was fun too.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's funny that it looks like Rob lost weight while at the same time getting extremely into baking.

But in a more general sense, getting together with a great board game designer and waylaying anything else in favour of making cakes is exactly the sort of thing I love from these people, and it makes me super glad Waypoint wasn't shut down.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Am I the only one annoyed at how low mixed the waypoint podcast is?

It's like the lowest mixed thing of anything I've consumed so I always have to adjust the volume whether I start listening to it and when I've stopped listening to it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I thought Danielle's 'this game has cops and don't forget, cops are implements of systemic racism!' bit in her RE2 piece ran dangerously close to type of junk I see from woke twitter liberals attempting to flash progressive bonafides and then I listen to the pod and she says *that*.

Yikes.
I'm not gonna trust a police department that has someone like Irons leading them.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'm not gonna trust a police department that has someone like Irons leading them.
According to the clock in my first Claire playthrough, I am 2.5 or so hours into the game and I completely agree with this. The game paints neither corporations nor police leadership with a kind brush.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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According to the clock in my first Claire playthrough, I am 2.5 or so hours into the game and I completely agree with this. The game paints neither corporations nor police leadership with a kind brush.
And yet Leon is the most heroic cop in existence

No wonder he ends up with a presidential detail by RE4
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Am I the only one annoyed at how low mixed the waypoint podcast is?

It's like the lowest mixed thing of anything I've consumed so I always have to adjust the volume whether I start listening to it and when I've stopped listening to it.
Yeah it's pretty quiet. I have to boost volume by 40% to make it roughly the same level as the Bombcast or Beastcast.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah it's pretty quiet. I have to boost volume by 40% to make it roughly the same level as the Bombcast or Beastcast.
I’d imagine it’s easier to get consistent levels when all mics are being monitored locally by an engineer, who knows what differences there are between Patrick and Rob’s mics both in terms of fiedelity and sensitivity compared with the rest of them in NYC.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That's kinda what I mean though, waypoint is the only piece of media that needs me to mess around with volume significantly.

It's not a big deal. Just kinda annoying.

Also if I want to play a game and listen to it at the same time on the phone, setting the game volume to the lowest setting is still not enough to prevent it from overpowering the podcast. Waypoint is literally the only podcast I listen to that has this problem.
 

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So I tried to get through their first Kingdom Hearts cast but had to bail halfway through since I've never played any of these games and couldn't follow any of it. Should I just skip part 2 entirely or give it a shot?

I absolutely loved their 3-hour non-Kingdom Hearts cast though. More of that please!
 
Oct 28, 2017
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So I tried to get through their first Kingdom Hearts cast but had to bail halfway through since I've never played any of these games and couldn't follow any of it. Should I just skip part 2 entirely or give it a shot?

I absolutely loved their 3-hour non-Kingdom Hearts cast though. More of that please!
The whole point of it is then trying to comprehend the incompressible one step removed from actually playing the games

If you were expecting a forensic primer of what Kingdom Hearts is by experts you need to adjust your expectations
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I didn't say it was you being rough. Every time I come in here lately you're being pretty harsh to someone for expressing, at most, mild pushback on something associated with Waypoint—and usually considerably less than that. I really don't think someone asking "Should I listen to this podcast?" warrants being told that they need to adjust their expectations. Everyone in the thread likes Waypoint stuff, everyone is here to talk about Waypoint stuff, people don't need to be immediately bopped on the nose for saying that a podcast didn't hook them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So I tried to get through their first Kingdom Hearts cast but had to bail halfway through since I've never played any of these games and couldn't follow any of it. Should I just skip part 2 entirely or give it a shot?

I absolutely loved their 3-hour non-Kingdom Hearts cast though. More of that please!
the point of the lore casts is basically to blast you in the face with unfollowable garbage so if you're not enjoying it don't bother with part 2. The waycasts are regular and twice-weekly so just hang around and listen to those!
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I didn't say it was you being rough. Every time I come in here lately you're being pretty harsh to someone for expressing, at most, mild pushback on something associated with Waypoint—and usually considerably less than that. I really don't think someone asking "Should I listen to this podcast?" warrants being told that they need to adjust their expectations. Everyone in the thread likes Waypoint stuff, everyone is here to talk about Waypoint stuff, people don't need to be immediately bopped on the nose for saying that a podcast didn't hook them.
I’m sorry if you think my post above is pretty harsh but I absolutely don’t agree with that assessment.

In fact I’d go as far as saying you’re colouring between the lines of what I said with your personal opinion.

If you don’t think I should have pushed back on the guy yesterday trying to get a few kicks into Danielle I’m a little aghast, too.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I didn't say it was you being rough. Every time I come in here lately you're being pretty harsh to someone for expressing, at most, mild pushback on something associated with Waypoint—and usually considerably less than that. I really don't think someone asking "Should I listen to this podcast?" warrants being told that they need to adjust their expectations. Everyone in the thread likes Waypoint stuff, everyone is here to talk about Waypoint stuff, people don't need to be immediately bopped on the nose for saying that a podcast didn't hook them.
I think Sheep was just saying that it's fun because of how messy it is and not to be taken truly seriously (you'd be better served for actual information with one of the many video primers that exist)...it was just said in a very Stolen Sheep way.
 

benj

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Yes, I think your response to the person yesterday was very poorly-worded and honestly incredibly condescending.

I like Waypoint, I post on era, sometimes I poke my head in to post about Waypoint and I am always very put off that such a warm and welcoming site's presence on this board seems to be characterized by immediate, irascible pushback on any perceived criticism of a piece of Waypoint content. It seems, to me, to be at odds with what I think of Waypoint as being, which is a group of people who are very conscientious and respectful of viewpoints that are crosswise with their own.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Yes, I think your response to the person yesterday was very poorly-worded and honestly incredibly condescending.

I like Waypoint, I post on era, sometimes I poke my head in to post about Waypoint and I am always very put off that such a warm and welcoming site's presence on this board seems to be characterized by immediate, irascible pushback on any perceived criticism of a piece of Waypoint content. It seems, to me, to be at odds with what I think of Waypoint as being, which is a group of people who are very conscientious and respectful of viewpoints that are crosswise with their own.
We’ll agree to disagree because I feel fully justified in what I said. I’m only disrespectful to people who themselves are disrespectful.

Also I’m laughing a little at the suggestion I just push back at any criticism of Waypoint because I feel like I’ve been more critical than most of them myself. Indeed I think I’ve actually been too critical at times.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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So I tried to get through their first Kingdom Hearts cast but had to bail halfway through since I've never played any of these games and couldn't follow any of it. Should I just skip part 2 entirely or give it a shot?

I absolutely loved their 3-hour non-Kingdom Hearts cast though. More of that please!
So far I'd say the KH stuff is more entertaining than informative. I've listened to both episodes and have zero fucking idea what's happening. It's fun to hear the Waypoint crew work through the nonsense but if I wanted a primer, I'd probably check out the videos they watched on Youtube.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I've listened to both KHcasts. I have only the vaguest explanation for what KH *is*.

...I think I'll just listened to them again. Eventually it will sink in.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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On one hand, I think Phoney’s (initial, at least) post went kinda hard, at least from the point of view of coming off the thread about the Vice stuff where people were throwing a tantrum over the same article in similar ways.

On the other, the idea that Sheep tends to be harsh while defending the site is off, imo. If anything I feel like it’s usually him and I going too hard at each other, but I’m the one being defensive?

EDIT: I should say I think it surely can be offputting to the kind of people who enjoy Waypoint but don’t normally post in here if we behave that way, regardless. So I think that’s probably a good thing to consider going forward, especially as the Vice thread showed that there’s a decent number of people who love the site and yet don’t participate in this thread.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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On one hand, I think Phoney’s (initial, at least) post went kinda hard, at least from the point of view of coming off the thread about the Vice stuff where people were throwing a tantrum over the same article in similar ways.

On the other, the idea that Sheep tends to be harsh while defending the site is off, imo. If anything I feel like it’s usually him and I going too hard at each other, but I’m the one being defensive?

EDIT: I should say I think it surely can be offputting to the kind of people who enjoy Waypoint but don’t normally post in here if we behave that way, regardless. So I think that’s probably a good thing to consider going forward, especially as the Vice thread showed that there’s a decent number of people who love the site and yet don’t participate in this thread.
Honestly, Austin even bothering to post his tweet thread on Friday here kinda shows the character of the man, and really the whole staff. Like, a random thread on a semi-popular forum and the EIC of the site took the time out to make sure we weren’t worried about Waypoint’s future? Wow. It made me reflect on being too harsh on them and being a bit snide at times. I wouldn’t be posting here if I wasn’t a fan.

Still gonna call BS on obvious BS when I see it, though. Too many people try to dress personal dislike of people or creeds, be it Waypoint staff or people like Ben and Abby over at Giant Bomb, with arguments I can absolutely see are not being made in good faith. Sometimes it’s obvious because of the wording, the repetition of targeting someone or that it appears to be a very negative drive-by comment. At times it’s a bit of all of the above. It’s never as simple as just someone being critical and I feel like I have a pretty good read on these things because in my experience the types of people I’m talking about aren’t very good at hiding their intentions.

That seriously pisses me off because it’s petty, stupid and at times hateful to people I think are genuinely good and trying their best. If I was on the receiving end I couldn’t say it wouldn’t effect me in some way. That has no place here. Lift people up, don’t try to push them down.
 
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benj

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On the other, the idea that Sheep tends to be harsh while defending the site is off, imo. If anything I feel like it’s usually him and I going too hard at each other, but I’m the one being defensive?
Yeah, I misspoke. It wasn't consistently about him defending the site, and it was the thing about "they're just upsetting themselves" that kind of turned me off this thread in the first place. What I should've said was that it was when he disagreed with someone.

And I haven't noticed you being a part of it, for what it's worth!
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Sheep if a lot of people think your calibration is off, I dunno, maybe reflect on that instead of digging in with “I can absolutely see the truth.”
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Sheep if a lot of people think your calibration is off, I dunno, maybe reflect on that instead of digging in with “I can absolutely see the truth.”
Yeah, I’m sorry but I think theres’s some ulterior motives with you posting this after me pulling you up on your Natalie comment not so long ago and you being vocally upset about it.

For what it’s worth I’m certainly not grouping you with the person yesterday and I even took the time to respectfully reply to your PM at the time detailing both why I had an issue and why my wording may not have been perfect. Which you didn’t respond to, by the way.

None of which really syncs up with your attempt to paint me as some unwavering, cocksure arbiter of ‘truth’, and that’s most certainly not what my last post in this thread is, either, and I’d be fairly confident most would be able to see that.
 
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benj

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But you portray yourself that way. Your perception of what is bad-faith criticism has absolutely no reality check, though—you decide someone is arguing in bad faith, then pat yourself on the back for your own 'successful' read, but at no point is there any external corroboration.

You seem to see yourself as some kind of arbiter of propriety. You have dismissed everything I've said on the basis that you don't agree with it—it isn't convenient for you to believe because it isn't consistent with what you believe about yourself. Fine. But as someone with no grudge and no vested interest in your self-image, with absolutely no 'ulterior motive', who doesn't know you at all, I have consistently been struck by how needlessly condescending you are to people that have done absolutely nothing to warrant it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Am I the only one annoyed at how low mixed the waypoint podcast is?

It's like the lowest mixed thing of anything I've consumed so I always have to adjust the volume whether I start listening to it and when I've stopped listening to it.
No, me too. I can't listen to this podcast in my car because of how bad the mixing is, too. Like Patrick is super loud, then Austin is a lot lower, and then Natalie is barely audible when I'm driving. The mixing sucks.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We’ll agree to disagree because I feel fully justified in what I said. I’m only disrespectful to people who themselves are disrespectful.
I think you were way over the line. My $0.02. Don't tell someone to fuck off over a little bit of criticism. I agree with benji's points.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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No, me too. I can't listen to this podcast in my car because of how bad the mixing is, too. Like Patrick is super loud, then Austin is a lot lower, and then Natalie is barely audible when I'm driving. The mixing sucks.
Yeah they definitely aren't all level. Wish they would pay more attention to it seeing that seems to be their focus now.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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Chiming in to say that yes, the audio mixing for their podcasts have been quiet since... forever. I just can't listen to any of them while I'm commuting, which isn't the case for any of the other podcasts I listen to. Thankfully, I work from home now so it's rarely a problem for me currently.

I'm glad the crew seems to be loving the lore of Kingdom Hearts. I listened to the first episode and had fun doing so, but it didn't help one iota in making the plot coherent. The moment I was distracted and didn't pay close attention to what they were saying, I was just lost and never got back on track.

Patrick's criticism of KH3 from... last week's episode(?) about the level design and combat was how I felt back when I played the first game. Did not care at all about the story then, and I was either bored or frustrated with the combat and all the platforming. All the worlds felt large yet lifeless. The Gummi ship sections were just tedious. The only parts that I have a hazy recollection of being a good time were these three optional bosses that forced me to engage with all the battle mechanics.

I'll keep listening to the lore cast because it's fun to hear the crew laugh and be obsessed about it, but yeah, it's that and BDG's Unraveled vid (if you haven't seen it, watch it, it's good) are going to be the extent of my Kingdom Hearts consumption.

I would surely love to hear them talk about lore from other games eventually! Dark Souls, Dragon Age, and Destiny would be great.

I'm weirdly fascinated by Resident Evil's universe even though I've only played REmake, REmake 2, 4, and 5 and have only watched Mary Kish and Mike Mahardy's playthrough of 7. I am actually seriously considering watching all the live-action RE movies too because I am a fool.

It's just that Patrick's the only one who has been really into the series and I don't remember him ever being invested in RE's lore the way Austin is for Souls, Natalie is for Dragon Age, and even Cado is for Destiny.

According to the clock in my first Claire playthrough, I am 2.5 or so hours into the game and I completely agree with this. The game paints neither corporations nor police leadership with a kind brush.
yuuuuup

I just recently got past the whole section with Irons on my first Claire B playthrough and holy shit fuuuuuuuuuuck that guy.

also this re2 remake is pretty damn good

Blazing hot take here but I prefer the official Waypoint forum's community to this thread's because the people are less confrontational and sardonic when expressing criticism while discussing with fellow posters, and the moderation team is always on point about deflating tension while having zero tolerance for shitty attitudes as well as talk about the staff's lives and careers.