Hmmmm, I find Caroll Denvers very weakly acted and overall a boring character, the film does not have good setpieces or choreography, and it was carried mostly by Samuel Jackson.
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We as a community need to be better about falling for alt-right YouTube videos.
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There you go. Was that so hard? Do you really need to share a video by an asshole to get that across?
What!?! I'll have you know that this youtuber went TWO WHOLE MINUTES without saying a slur! How could you imply that they're not progressive! Left eating itself etc. etc. etc
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I think op is way over invested in this series and its starting to feel like an unhealthy obsession defending it from all criticism. Even if those videos didn't exist the movie (TLJ, I like Capt Marvel) is still very flawed and deserves criticism and I would hope you can understand that.
You going to explain why you're perfectly fine with the "Captain Marvel is not for white men" video?
For the record, I have never shared any of those videos. I've seen *some* of those videos and share the general sentiment that Brie Larson does not seem fit for the role.
So what you're saying is that Kelly Marie Tran deserves to be called a "dumb bitch" and "dumb Asian," which happens in one of the TLJ "criticism" videos that gets shared here frequently?
That's what I'm hearing.
I just looked it up. Apparently it's slang for someone who's one-eighth black?
Jesus, we just keep finding new ways to divide ourselves.
Everything old is new again I guess. I don't recall with certainty but I believe the term originates from Spanish settlers on parts of the US East Coast (like around Florida).
We are specifically referencing videos that dive into racist and sexist garbage disguised as criticism. You then come in and act like people are too defensive about the movie.
You're making arguments that aren't relevant to the discussion. People are not saying TLJ is above criticism. People are saying the way that TLJ is discussed here tends to be toxic and one of the reasons is that people are using these videos (without actually examining their content?) as a stand in for actually stating an opinion.
Not surprised. Disingenuous posts are all the rage.
*eyeroll*
I think OP's point is that this forum should stop, as a practice, sourcing the criticism of these films out from the post-gamergate youtube content farms that push actively harmful ideas about sex and race in culture.
Ok but knowing he's a piece of shit in the end, knowing fully so, maybe it would be best to not signal boosting pieces of shit like him? I dunno? Yes a broken clock is right twice a day. Still wouldn't bring it with me anywhere cause it's still a broken piece of shit.
In the end, even though he can make some good arguments here and there, for all the mysogenism and racist shit he says, it doesn't deserve anyone's watch "cause he's right about this though"...
You mean like proudly declaring you don't care if your video is full of sexist and racist garbage because so long as it contains one point you agree with it's perfectly fine?
"Let me strawman and put words in your mouth".
Two can play that game. Posting shit like this is one of the most annoying things I see here. And it happens ALL the time.
We as a community need to be better about avoiding disingenuous callout posts.
Its really annoying. As a sufferer of "jesus christ those new star wars movies fucking SUCKED (besides rogue one)* syndrome, yeah... 99% of those videos online are about SJW/Women hating nonsense.
I love laura dern. I love women. Diversity in film is a good thing. 0% of my complaints with th... hold on i need a drink to steady my nerves.....ok. yeah. None of my critisisms fall into hating women/diversity/sjws.. its fucking bizarre. There is a large body of critical media that has the white supremacist/gamergate/anti-woman edge.
I thought era would be my safe space to hate those movies as god intended. But you're right.
::vomits thinking about the new movies::
I love laura dern. I love women. Diversity in film is a good thing. 0% of my complaints with th... hold on i need a drink to steady my nerves.....ok. yeah. None of my critisisms fall into hating women/diversity/sjws.. its fucking bizarre. There is a large body of critical media that has the white supremacist/gamergate/anti-woman edge.
I thought era would be my safe space to hate those movies as god intended. But you're right.
::vomits thinking about the new movies::
But meanwhile you are allowed to post whoever you want because you agree with one point therefore it's perfectly fine to post sexist/racist content?
Hey guys, y'all should take a look at that New Zealand boomer thread
I said I wouldn't/don't. I think him and any other Youtubers constantly whining about SJWs need to shut the fuck up cuz that shit gets old fast.
If I'm unaware of who this person is or that they share such beliefs? Yes.
Like I said, I don't live on YouTube, I dunno what every Youtuber believes.
Not sure what this thread is asking for aside from the obvious. If you know someone is a shithead, don't link their shit. But I don't know every shithead on YouTube.
No one does.
We're asking that you do the bare minimum of at least watching the video or checking out other videos from the channel before sharing.
If you are unwilling to finish watching the entire video before posting it, then yes I'm going to blast you for doing so.
Why would I link a video I haven't watched? If I watch a video and there's nothing wrong with it how am I gonna know about some racist shit they might have posted 5 years ago?
So I take it the solution would be to:
1) Find another YT video that makes the same points and isn't produced from someone with a history of being racist/sexist/etc.
2) Write up a summary of the points you agree with, but without attribution
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Exactly. One can dislike a piece of media and at the same time make sure to avoid sharing harmful content just because they agree with them on a particular piece of media.
It's not hard and does not take a lot of effort to pause and not watch/not share a video if someone in the video is starting to whine about social justice politics/feminism/forced diversity.
Sounds like it. In the case of TLJ, good luck finding a good alternative on point 1 though LOL
Seems like everyone doing a video arguing against TLJ is a real piece of shit one way or another.
The majority of people that share these videos don't do that and that's what this whole thread is about.
I don't give a shit about whether some random people think we're funny or not. The people who are using "SJW" unironically may not be "alt-right" but they're definitely trying to provide a sanitized version of the same beliefs and shouldn't be tolerated. They're not arguing in good faith.
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There is no acceptable way to throw that term "SJW" around. It is used entirely to belittle and complain about those who push for inclusiveness and diversity.
What is this way of calling someone a SJW that isn't alt-right/sexist that you are trying to defend here?
I am curious what way of calling someone an SJW is that you find acceptable.
Not to defend them, but you just can't expect everyone to do detective's work on any source they're about to link. I'd say the most appropriate thing would be to at least watch the video you are about to post to make sure you aren't posting racist / mysogenistic shit. Be enlightened of anyone's past behavior after by your fellow forum camarades, if needed.
People who are laughing at us for saying "SJW" is a term of the alt-right aren't worth considering because they're treating basic human dignity like a punchline.
And the real funny thing is, treating human dignity like a punchline is the main organizing principle of the alt-right
And the real funny thing is, treating human dignity like a punchline is the main organizing principle of the alt-right
Should take a look at the RedLetterMedia thread in the OT community section every time they have a racist or sexist take on something. People don't like when a thing they like is called out as being problematic when highlighting racist, sexist and transphobic ideas in all forms of media is a fundamental staple of online discourse and how society learns and gets better.
Learning that the people you watch have flaws is a fundamental part of this process. The antics of channels like RedLetterMedia led me to stop watching them.
It's okay to acknowledge that content creators that you like are either a product of ignorance, a product of their time or do not reflect well in 2019. I love the Cthulhu mythos and everything that it has spawned, but I'm not going to bat for one second for HP Lovecraft because of how problematic he was. Modern creators have taken that mythos and also reflected the racism it was born out of, which makes me happy!
Every time I see a post along the lines of "Brie Larson is a bad actress" there is almost always some underpinning of sexism (or racism in other cases), and it has become so transparent that the only people being fooled are the people making those posts, who deny their own sexist views
Learning that the people you watch have flaws is a fundamental part of this process. The antics of channels like RedLetterMedia led me to stop watching them.
It's okay to acknowledge that content creators that you like are either a product of ignorance, a product of their time or do not reflect well in 2019. I love the Cthulhu mythos and everything that it has spawned, but I'm not going to bat for one second for HP Lovecraft because of how problematic he was. Modern creators have taken that mythos and also reflected the racism it was born out of, which makes me happy!
Every time I see a post along the lines of "Brie Larson is a bad actress" there is almost always some underpinning of sexism (or racism in other cases), and it has become so transparent that the only people being fooled are the people making those posts, who deny their own sexist views
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No one is asking for detective work. Simply *watching* the videos being shared is 99.9% of the time enough to know you should not share it. As the videos being shared here that spurred my request almost entirely contain sexist complaining within the video themselves and require no further research.
ThousandEyes was posting suspect and dismissive shit in the boomer thread but wasn't expecting the mask to slip off into showing his full extent of racism.
yep. we have a lot of posters on ERA that aren't just getting exposed to this shit for the first time-- they know what they're doing.
it's not slang. When race divisions were legal this was the term for 1/8 black. 1/4 black was quadroon, 1/2 was mulatto and 1/16 was mamelouk. for a while these terms carried or granted different rights according to which one you were in such as who could marry who.