sorry I've already gotten confirmation from the admins that this is the plan going forward. The Thunderdome has spoken
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sorry I've already gotten confirmation from the admins that this is the plan going forward. The Thunderdome has spoken
Knowing some developers personally, I can assure you this is 100% true. And they would love to show stuff before becuase they are excited, but they know how bad communication is on the internet to think better.
I wonder how much time did it take for the Ooblots dev to write thatblog about the EGS . Reading it I know it wasnt easy, and I know they decided to go with a little humour to soften the blow, and that only made it worst for some people, that sinceresly are crazy, and they need to lower their blood preassure a little.
Gaming in general tends to be very tribal. Which is unfortunate.
Tim Sweeney is a cunt though.
I think we can all agree on that.
Tim Sweeney is a cunt though.
I think we can all agree on that.
I have to admit, I didn't read the last sentence of that post, contextualized now I FULLY SUPPORT THUNDERDOME
What are you doing dude? Show some awareness about the topic you are in and the theme of the thread. The man is getting death threats and you resonding with... but Tencent... 49%... Chinese proganda.
With that said, I understand what are you trying to say and my response is this. It's not the content, it's the delivery. We should all be able to have a civilized conversation without folks turning nasty and personal.
Bronson, thank you for this post. I 100% agree and am sad about what has happened to you over a stupid videogame store.
User Banned (3 days): Personal attack on another member
He was one of the worse posters at NeoGAF and still question why would anyone make him a mod.
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Before people ask, besides the personal stuff that happened to me, most of those instances happened multiple times. This isn't a call out thread or a 'you, you in particular are bad' thread. Far from it.
And to step out in front of this just in case it comes up -
When I was a moderator, the amount of things I handled when it came to EGS threads was probably single digits. I mostly advised on things and was community mod for things like NFL, Wrassle, and BST. It was very rare for me to handle gaming-side things, and I usually would just step in and post lock posts for threads that someone else had locked.
This isn't a moderation problem, I think. I think it's a community/Internet problem that we all have to work on, myself included.
And to step out in front of this just in case it comes up -
When I was a moderator, the amount of things I handled when it came to EGS threads was probably single digits. I mostly advised on things and was community mod for things like NFL, Wrassle, and BST. It was very rare for me to handle gaming-side things, and I usually would just step in and post lock posts for threads that someone else had locked.
This isn't a moderation problem, I think. I think it's a community/Internet problem that we all have to work on, myself included.
Yeah, even the few EGS threads I've glanced at -- for games I'm interested in, because the EGS news tends to come at the same time as other news -- they're definitely more immediately vitriolic than almost any other thread. And I'm guessing that the ones that similarly get marked with [SEE STAFF POST] are not much better.
None of the stuff listed should be happening, but in particular, that personal level stuff is absolutely ridiculous for discussion about a storefront. Sorry you had to go through all that shit, Bronson.
None of the stuff listed should be happening, but in particular, that personal level stuff is absolutely ridiculous for discussion about a storefront. Sorry you had to go through all that shit, Bronson.
The PC community is basically getting a taste of console war discourse and the results are unsuprising.
Or maybe people just think people can turn it down a notch, sorta like the OP said?
But what about when lets say
I support something like this, but some rules not none.
Agreed for the most part I think the mods have handled this issue to the best of their ability but its clear that this topic is gonna bring out the worst in people. Its kinda good because it means that there are people who are passionate about the topic but with all things this needs to be controlled on a personal level.
My recommendation is that the mod team need to put guidance for all future egs threads so that its just easier to just sticky their option in the OP and to ban the outliers.
I think thats when we have to start to use empathy and start listening to why rational people arent supporting/ are actively against the store.
Sure it might not affect you guys directly and if you dont care then thats fine but this does affect other people, sometimes tangentially while others directly, and whats not appreciated is the snark associated with not even trying to understand.
This isn't orphans on the street , this isn't world hunger but it is a hobby that millions if not billions of people indulge in and sometimes even work in and as such, there are gonna be a lot of people with a passion for the topic.
My recommendation is that the mod team need to put guidance for all future egs threads so that its just easier to just sticky their option in the OP and to ban the outliers.
I think thats when we have to start to use empathy and start listening to why rational people arent supporting/ are actively against the store.
Sure it might not affect you guys directly and if you dont care then thats fine but this does affect other people, sometimes tangentially while others directly, and whats not appreciated is the snark associated with not even trying to understand.
This isn't orphans on the street , this isn't world hunger but it is a hobby that millions if not billions of people indulge in and sometimes even work in and as such, there are gonna be a lot of people with a passion for the topic.
I hadn't participated in an EGS thread until the Ooblets one, and that experience has made me not want to enter another one.
It's a display of some of the absolute worst that Era has to offer.
It's a display of some of the absolute worst that Era has to offer.
Did you not read the OP at all? I'm not a fan of him, but going low and calling him a "cunt" hasn't gotten us anywhere.
While I agree that his time as a mod .... was not the best to me, I think you shouldn't derail this thread by bringing up Bronsons past when he raises a lot of valid discussions points.
User banned (5 days): Inflammatory language over multiple threads; accumulated infractions
He's welcome to not be a cunt, but he insists on being one so there's not much I can do about it.
We have to be better than him, not just call him names though.
Not to relitigate what's already been said in its own topic, but you're leaving out a lot of context regarding the Ooblets devs' announcement and subsequent behavior on their Discord, namely labeling everyone who wasn't happy with their decision and/or potential customers trying to quell their ensuing meltdown entitled manchildren, pirates and the kind of people they didn't want business from in the first place.
Was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that your first post was a joke but since you're just going to perpetuate the toxicity, into the thunderdome you go.
At this point I would honestly be fine with banning all discussion of EGS on this forum. The Ooblets thread has made me wonder whether I even want to be here anymore.
Really think the "EPIC exclusive list" Megathread would help, even if it just tidied the landing page a bit.
Think a lot of the toxicity comes from people's mindsets on arguments in general (if they aren't right, they're wrong and that means there somehow a worse person for it) just makes people go to the sheer extremes on both sides, even if thats means making attacking the opposite side.
Think a lot of the toxicity comes from people's mindsets on arguments in general (if they aren't right, they're wrong and that means there somehow a worse person for it) just makes people go to the sheer extremes on both sides, even if thats means making attacking the opposite side.
I appreciate the sentiment but that's like asking gamers to be less toxic in general, and I just don't see that happening.
There's a disturbing amount of aggressive hostility surrounding a digital storefront. Todays internet culture is sadly very black or white. Use it, or don't. But just, don't be dicks about it.
I'm very sorry to hear you've recieved threats. Nobody should have to deal with that over such a trifling matter.
I'm very sorry to hear you've recieved threats. Nobody should have to deal with that over such a trifling matter.
>member since only may 2019, after Bronson was no longer a mod
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>talking about time on NeoGAF from years ago
If you're going to make stupid derail posts like this at least have the balls to post on your main account.
Maybe a better solution would be to ban the toxic folks. The toxicity doesn't stop with EGS threads.
I honestly think putting a staff post in those threads and calling it a day is not working. The thread continues to be complete shit a couple of pages after it.
The problem can be found all around Internet, and everything causing outrage, but Resetera itself can do it better I think.
Probably just ignorance but I don't really understand why I should hate EGS anymore than I am supposed to hate Walmart or other places trying to get ahead at the cost of the competition. It's business, it's not always clean. I'm not going to pretend it is. And I have no problems buying an exclusive game on any platform so EGS is no different. And actually all the games I "own" on EGS were sold for $0, so if anything they actually have a bit of good will from me.
I feel for you. My post in here at the beginning might not have been the best post and I hereby apologize.
I wonder what can be done about the whole situation though?
It is not just EGS and whatever. You have the same toxic behaviour in console war threads. You had that before in Pokemon threads.
What do you think can actually be done?
obviously not going to name any names but there's a prolific poster in a community on here that makes me roll my eyes every time he posts and sometimes genuinely rubs me the wrong way. I've caught a warning and ban on an old account for antagonizing members (not the one I'm talking about), so before I picked a fight I would lose I decided to use the ignore function for the first and presumably only time. well, a bunch if threads for our community disappeared, and I had to undue it immediately.
In that moment I learned to just chill out and not engage, exercising restraint. Obviously that won't work in the face of actual threats but I think choosing not to engage sometimess could do a lot of people good on the forum.
I would say it's both. Of course it's a community/internet problem but that isn't going to change in any meaningful way (gamers are going to continue being toxic) without extensive moderation and that hasn't been good enough (not having enough mods/not paying them I mean, not that they aren't trying their best) on a whole range of subjects, not just EGS.
100% agreed with the OP. The insults and the name calling and the death threats are uncalled for.
I just ignore EGS threads now because they always just devolve into people angrily shouting at each other
There are valid reasons to dislike EGS and there are also reasons why some people don't mind it. The vitriol is absolutely unnecessary and unacceptable.
I just ignore EGS threads now because they always just devolve into people angrily shouting at each other
There are valid reasons to dislike EGS and there are also reasons why some people don't mind it. The vitriol is absolutely unnecessary and unacceptable.
Their behaviour after they were attacked by hundreds, maybe thousands of the exact kind of things we're talking about here might not have been the smartest...but it doesn't retroactively make that abuse ok. I mean look at the stuff posted here in public, then imagine what they got via email thanks to the boost of courage anonymity gives.
Would having an EGS Pro/Con OT make sense? Where all the pros / cons are listed in the OP fairly, so we don't have to constantly reargue and reiterate the same points of contention.
It probably wouldn't be able to make everyone happy, especially if you're deep in the conspiracy hole, but if it's presented with well argued and sourced details, it could serve as a definitive source for future discussion on here.
It probably wouldn't be able to make everyone happy, especially if you're deep in the conspiracy hole, but if it's presented with well argued and sourced details, it could serve as a definitive source for future discussion on here.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. This toxicity could have been curtailed long ago if a certain group that wanted to be identified as a Steam group would have been put in their place. Now it seems like the the staff just drops the [SEE STAFF POST] message in the thread and then ignores said thread as much as possible. I understand that the staff is busy and there's lots of other things to keep an eye over, but this has been a problem for quite a while now and it seemingly hasn't been addressed.
Edit- this post is a little hyperbolic and i apologize for that, but I still stand by my claim here that there's a subsection of era that is definitely a huge part of the problem.
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I've seen minor stuff like "why shit on steam" receiving infractions, so I'd assume the severe examples being mentioned in OP, like actual harrasment to have received instant bans in here, unless you mean other social media like Twitter and whatnot, which are simply out of control.
That's the wrong direction, though. Like it or not, Sweeney is part of the game development community, so discussion about him and his content should be able to be discussed on this forum.
The members who are actively attacking other members are the core issue, at least in this small community.
One of the main reasons I avoid Twitter like the plague.
Yeah I want this too. We don't need a new thread every time a Dev says something on Twitter that upsets people. Just stick it in an OT thread.
I'm not saying this community is perfect, or even great, or that it's not capable of some of these terrible things you've listed (specifically the harrassment) but there are other websites out there that specifically target this one to stir shit and harrass as I'm sure you well know.
You don't know if these were just individual assholes and attacks or if you were targeted because you were a mod at a site they hate (for some weirdo reason) right?
I'm not trying to say the epic stuff doesn't get toxic or that I don't believe you, it does and I do. I just want to know if it's from here and you have an idea of who it is they need to be weeded out. If it's from out there at least we know more about it.
Or maybe you don't want to talk about it that's fine too.