We had an incel in the dating topic over at the other place this time last year. There was no convincing him that it was his toxic attitude that was the reason he could not get a girlfriend. The guy had already convinced himself it was impossible and had this crazy number system and what cosmetic surgery he'd need just to add 1 point to his looks. Typically he turned on a female poster calling her just average but she could get sex anytime she wanted. I reported him and he got a temp ban. He came back talking similar stuff in another topic and famously got fucking wrecked by Evilor and perma'd. He was the extreme, most are just pity party "never even kissed a girl and I'm almost 30". These type guys refuse to change thier approach and just keep complaining until they stop getting attention.
I'm sure a life of unlimited internet porn has given them a really warped view of sex as a factor too.
So let me get this straight the guy new he wasn't that good looking and only surgery would help. However did that guy try to get women in his own league in terms of looks.
This is the big issue here for me. Obviously it's not always about looks, but I find alot the main reasons guys are bitter when not getting women is because they have this perceived notion of men should have the women they want. Hollywood has georgous women. Homer has Marge, Peter Griffin has his wife. Fat guys with beautiful slim women. Many Hollywood movies have these guys get the girl. Anime, Hollywood, Bollywood, commercials and etc. Porn has pretty women.
If they don't get that hot woman then they consider themselves a failure.
But the reality is not everyone will get that slim girl with a pretty face. It all depends on the guys looks, if he doesn't have good looks the guys personality, social skills, career prospects etc.
There are plenty of women in the world but people need to look at themselves in the mirror and get someone who is in the same league in terms of looks.