We should give people like Milo a platform, Says Jaffe; not doing so is ruining the country. Defends himself with NPC memes.

Windrunner

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Don't do it Phantom Thief : in the time it takes for you to debate him and explore his shallow, absolutist view of freedom of speech you could make at least 3 new threads on Resetera, 5 maybe because the VGAs are imminent. Priorities.
 

okayfrog

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But even that argument doesn't make sense. The entire discussion is about de-platforming. The platform is a website ran by a private company.
Yes, and many want bigots off the platform. He doesn't want that. He wants bigots to have a platform because he believes that it is a good thing when bigots are debated, which it is not.
 

Lady Gaia

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To the extent that Jaffe is including me it the collective, “we” aren’t especially interested in giving Milo a platform. I expect the communities I’m a part of to do a reasonable amount of self-policing, and will gladly leave in protest when they fail to do so. Terms of service are just another form of a community establishing standards because not everything rises to the level of needing to pass a law.

When Milo willfully violates the terms of service of a community to further his agenda of harming vulnerable groups, he gets shown the door. That’s pretty much the end of the story. If Jaffe thinks he has a better idea for a vibrant community that will attract people, he’s welcome to start one. Based on what I’ve seen of his work, though, his ideas are about as deep as the average high school kid who thinks anarchy sounds cool.
 

Alucrid

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why can't jaffe sign up for a resetera account and hold a respectful discussion in this thread?
 

Alienous

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You can teach people how to deal with information that isn't legitimate without facilitating and amplifying abhorrent views. I don't see the right to speak as a right to be heard - say what you want but that doesn't mean I should hand you a megaphone.
 

Observation Platform

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Great, another 'let's debate basic human rights because bigotry is defensible' proponent: my favourite type of fuckwit to ignore for eternity.
 

Angrytomato

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
 
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Phantom Thief

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Naw David. I’d be more than happy to talk to you, let’s do it, but I’m not going to do a stream and put myself in a format I am totally unfamiliar with for a debate. Please feel free to make an account here, and we’ll chat.
 

Windrunner

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
It's okay, Jaffe doesn't have any influence so he's free to speak his mind under your terms.
 

Alucrid

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.

watch resetera be DESTROYED in a single post
 

Chettlar

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Honestly I would have done it had the government not been comprised of the same kinds of shitstains as Milo himself
I mean, you do realize that that right there is EXACTLY the reason it's a bad idea right? If one lawmaker can stop your ability to say something as hate speech, then another could come in and stop your ability to say something they don't like. It sucks but it's what a number of governments have done, if you pay attention to history. In a democracy, having people arrested with things that are not calls to action can and has resulted in horrific things.

However.

Fortunately that's not the issue here. Jaffe is mad some individual citizens decided not to use their corporate property to platform the ravings of another citizen. This is hilariously ironic because you bet he would be against a gay couple wanting a wedding cake from a bakery who didn't want to do so. It's almost like his version of who should be allowed to do as they please and express themselves as they please is hopelessly one sided lol. And he's a moron.
 

WadeIt0ut

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
He wasn't silenced for disagreeing with anyone. He was silenced for being a bigoted piece of shit. Freedom of speech doesn't pertain to private websites just like how you can't start spewing racist stuff in a classroom and not expect to get in trouble.
 

okayfrog

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
1. This is in the game section as it is relating to a video game developer (if you aren't a fan of posts like these, I would suggest you give /r/games a shot as they take down submissions that are about people rather than games themselves)
2. Jews can hate Jews and gays can hate gays.
3. The problem with people saying what they want to is that even though I won't be listening, many other more suggestible people will be.
4. If you aren't a fan of political posts, well, hopefully that thread hider extension gets updated so you can hide threads you dislike.
 

Brock Reiher

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Naw David. I’d be more than happy to talk to you, let’s do it, but I’m not going to do a stream and put myself in a format I am totally unfamiliar with for a debate. Please feel free to make an account here, and we’ll chat.
get one of the mods to do that thing where he has an account but is auto-ignored by every user so he just things nobody is bothering to respond
 

BernardoOne

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
LMAO
Y'all ain't fucking slick
 

EdibleKnife

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Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
Do you know what a model minority is? Do you know that there are always people who are part of a marginalized group who think they can be protected from bigotry by participating in it? Milo feeds into anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric because it made him a rich unicorn that thought he was protected from the fallout. Ben Sharpio feeds into fascist rhetoric because it makes him a popular "intellectual" who can rake fame and money from imbecels who can use him to say "I'm not a nazi! Ben Sharpio is Jewish and thinks the same way I do about XYZ". Dinesh D'Souza is a minority who regularly creates movies promoting administrations and movements whose ultimate goal is the oppression & elimination of anyone non-white like himself.
 
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Budi

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why don't you do it bud

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Because I'm not so vehemently against what he said. I'd rather hear people entirely on opposite sides to duke it out here. And even if it was something I'm passionate about, my English isn't up to par.
Why is this in the games section. Also the new American way is to silence people who disagree with you so lets do that.. Also how is milo alt right? Hes gay and they hate gay people. Just like when people call ben Shapiro a Nazi only to relize hes Jewish. But to each his own. We care to much about peoples opinions nowadays. People can say why they want. You dont have to listen. I see political posts on gaf and era all the time I dont agree with. I never get upset. Also iv been of the mind game designers who have influence ahould stay out of politics.
It's not quite that simple, that just because you belong in a minority you couldn't be a bigot. Not sure whoever came up with that idea. The topic is on gaming because David Jaffe is gaming industry figure and it doesn't hurt to expose people on gaming side to these things either tbh.
 

Alucrid

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Because I'm not so vehemently against what he said. I'd rather hear people entirely on opposite sides to duke it out here. And even if it was something I'm passionate about, my English isn't up to par.
someone in this thread already spoke to him so if you really want to get off on hearing people "duke it out" go watch the vod
 

Enzom21

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Because I'm not so vehemently against what he said. I'd rather hear people entirely on opposite sides to duke it out here. And even if it was something I'm passionate about, my English isn't up to par.
Let him create an account here and debate it. He is not interested in debate, he is interested in promoting his podcast. He could have answered Phantom Thief’s question, instead he choose to promote. He’s full for shit and no one here should go on that shit podcast.
 

Noodle

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I thought he might be taking the high road up until the point in his vid where he goes "You can't say something somebody disagrees with without people treating you like you're a goddamn moron?....Sorry I had a different opinion than you did." Because that's what giving Milo a platform is, just an opinion that exists in a vacuum and has no implications as to what kind of person you are or the damage you'd inflict if your opinion became reality.

FYI the "recommended videos" when you watch that video are a doozy (inPrivate browsing). So sorry Jaffe, even if you sincerely think you're not alt-right, Youtube's algorithms have definitely decided otherwise.
 

Brock Reiher

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I thought he might be taking the high road up until the point in his vid where he goes "You can't say something somebody disagrees with without people treating you like you're a goddamn moron?....Sorry I had a different opinion than you did." Because that's what giving Milo a platform is, just an opinion that exists in a vacuum and has no implications as to what kind of person you are or the damage you'd inflict if your opinion became reality.

FYI the "recommended videos" when you watch that video are a doozy (inPrivate browsing). So sorry Jaffe, even if you sincerely think you're not alt-right, Youtube's algorithms have definitely decided otherwise.
Oh wow, he's amused read this thread.

Actually, he thinks it's funny.