What are some mechanics featured in fighting games that you wish were present/universal in other fighting games?

[Kalmakov]

The recent gameplay reveal of Guilty Gear 2020 has of course got people talking about what makes fighting games appealing, what makes them unique, gameplay trends, etc. What I wanted to know is, was there ever a mechanic/system in a fighting game that you thought was innovative or incredibly fun that isn't commonly featured in most fighting games?

 

[Lant_War]

Does good netcode count?

 

[lucebuce]

I was gonna write a relatively longer post talking about the Lethal Hit/Krushing Blow system from SC6 and MK11 respectively but fuck it, I'm going with this:

Does good netcode count?

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What's the goddamn point of making a compelling and unique fighting game if I can't actually play it against other people reliably?

 

[zombiejames]

Parrying from 3rd Strike.

 

[King Alamat]

Because I suck at fighting games but love fighting game characters, Soul Calibur's create-a-soul.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Oh Jesus, this will take forever to type.

 

[DanteMenethil]

Every fighting game should have a dumb omega mode (with sf3 parries in it)

 

[Zissou]

Does good netcode count?

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If this answer is allowed, it's pretty definitely THE answer lol- no real debate to be had.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Actually, screw it. I can't be bothered. Just:

Good rollback netcode and crossplay. Please, and thanks.

 

[Etrian Darkness]

GGPO.
Online Training Mode.
Skullgirls' button set up. Where you just hit the button and it automatically goes down the menu.
Something else Skullgirls has done because it surely has something else.
Skullgirls' assists being any move you want.
UNIST's stupidly good tutorial which is a textbook of how to play fighting games and UNIST.
No chip damage kills? I'm too used to it and going back to old games gets me killed because I'm now a scrub.

I dunno, probably lots? I just did the first things I thought of.

 

[Kalmakov]

I was gonna write a relatively longer post talking about the Lethal Hit/Krushing Blow system from SC6 and MK11 respectively but fuck it, I'm going with this:
What's the goddamn point of making a compelling and unique fighting game if I can't actually play it against other people reliably?

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I mean...you can. Support your local

 

[lucebuce]

I mean...you can. Support your local

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[Jaded Alyx]

Support your local

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No such thing exists for some of us. And before you say, "start your own", I've tried.

Online is all I have.

 

[Deleted member 56752]

Ggpo. I also like MK11 tutorial mode

 

[Kalmakov]

GGPO.
Something else Skullgirls has done because it surely has something else.

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Skullgirls implemented 360 motion input detection so you don't accidentally jump trying to perform a command grab. This should be in every fighting game.

 

[DrArchon]

Ignoring the obvious ones that objectively improve their games (netcode, crossplay, good tutorials, etc.)

I'd like to see more games with assists try out the custom assist feature from Skullgirls. It was a really cool idea (even if it's a pain to balance) and it lead to players being able to really express themselves with their teams. Also on a similar note, Skullgirls' variable teamsize/ratio implementation. Both because it gives players even more control over how they make their teams and from what I've seen it's a decent way to sell a game to someone that's brand new to team fighters ("no you don't need to learn 3 characters, you can just learn 1 and have a good time.")

I guess these can't be universal because I don't want every fighter have teams, but it'd be really boring to have another post about good rollback netcode and crossplay.

 

[Kalmakov]

No such thing exists for some of us. And before you say, "start your own", I've tried.

Online is all I have.

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Same thing for me honestly, I still make about an hour and a half drive to go mine.

 

[NoKisum]

Actual decent tutorials.

 

[BeaconofTruth]

Good netcode. Most of the other mechanics work uniquely in the framework of the game they are in.

Like I wouldn't exactly want a Roman cancel in SF, and not every game needs a burst or combo breaker.

But these games have only hurt themselves by not being more consistent online experiences in an era where people play multiplayer games online.

otherwise it be nice if the NRS games added fun to their games. I'd like to enjoy the playing it part with the game with the justice league in it.

Tho I do have something no fighting game does that I want in fighting games. You know how we can search for replays n shit? I want for lab monsters to be able to upload their stuff on a community database in the game (under characters) of tech or combos they found.

While yes you can just get this info on discord or twitter or reddit or whatevs, it be cool if there was something in game, that people could upload their findings on.

ohandthedeathofproximitynormalsbecauseihatethem ;_;

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Same thing for me honestly, I still make about an hour and a half drive to go mine.

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Lol that's not the same thing then. The closest "local" for me is in another country across the sea!

 

[M-TRNL]

Tatsunoko vs Capcom's Baroque is the reason I still play it. For those that don't know, in TvC you can choose to sacrifice your red life to reset yourself to neutral by pressing any attack + partner. You can do it during any normal or special move that isn't a throw (timing varies). The more red life you have the more damage you'll deal afterwards, and vice versa.

Baroque can be used for making yourself safe, making your combos longer, burst baits, mobility and even unblockables if you're fast enough. It's something you always have to think about and every character can use it effectively. It's so good!

 

[tokubek]

Gameplay wise I just wish more fighting games would let you do a lot more freeform special cancel from/into any move. Besides that:
- Parrying from Thrird Strike
- Good netcode
- Skullgirls level of qol improvements.

 

[lucebuce]

Tho I do have something no fighting game does that I want in fighting games. You know how we can search for replays n shit? I want for lab monsters to be able to upload their stuff on a community database in the game (under characters) of tech or combos they found.

While yes you can just get this info on discord or twitter or reddit or whatevs, it be cool if there was something in game, that people could upload their findings on.

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While not as detailed as you can get in Discord/twitter/reddit/whatevs, MK11 on PC has the ability to upload recordings in Training mode to the Steam Workshop and filed under a character's category with a brief description.

So you can upload setups and combos and punishment recordings and anyone on PC can download them and see them locally to break them down/learn from them.

Lol that's not the same thing then. The closest "local" for me is in another country across the sea!

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Maybe you should still make the 3 hour plane ride, that is if you really care about fighting games.

 

[Virtua Sanus]

Proper rollback netcode and crossplay. Making the base game cheap or even free to try would be another great one.

I wish every fighting game on the market just did everything like Killer Instinct.

 

[BeaconofTruth]

While not as detailed as you can get in Discord/twitter/reddit/whatevs, MK11 on PC has the ability to upload recordings in Training mode to the Steam Workshop and filed under a character's category with a brief description.

So you can upload setups and combos and punishment recordings and anyone on PC can download them and see them locally to break them down/learn from them.
Maybe you should still make the 3 hour plane ride, that is if you really care about fighting games.

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That's fucking neat, should have just been a thing in the game tho. I'm thinking more like what file share was in Halo 3?

But a bit more detailed. Like if I go under the Cassie Cage column, and I can then see combos n stuff from the game. But yeah something like what you described should be there, on consoles too.

 

[Kalmakov]

Maybe you should still make the 3 hour plane ride, that is if you really care about fighting games.

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Absolutely.

Git gud

Spoiler

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[Jaded Alyx]

Maybe you should still make the 3 hour plane ride, that is if you really care about fighting games.

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At least that would guarantee some decent matches..

 

[Vagabond]

I still don't quite understand, with the examples of brilliant netplay all around us, why certain modern fighters have shitty netplay.

Makes me hope that Xbox Next/PS5 take Steams example and enable Remote Play Together for their consoles for every game.

 

[megadarve]

All games with unlockables should have some kind of tournament mode to unlock characters. In addition to this, with the incoming Hitbox Crossup, control in this mode should limit directional inputs to analog or d-pad only. It should also provide a means to blind pick characters on the select screen.

Would be nice to be able to somehow roll back updates whenever a game gets updated as well.

Other than that, basically everything UNIST does for training mode at minimum (esp reconfigurable reset button instead of forcing TP, quick reversal options), along with button dashes.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Parrying wasn't even done right in SF3, how you gonna make that shit work in every fighting game.

I don't want universal mechanics, probably just some QoL stuff.

 

[Rhaknar]

back to block. Fuck block buttons.

 

[Banana Aeon]

back to block. Fuck block buttons.

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PREACH

 

[lucebuce]

back to block. Fuck block buttons.

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There's literally only three fighting games on modern consoles that have block buttons and no way to hold back to block, and two of them are from the same series. Soul Calibur 6 and Mortal Kombat X/11

I really don't get the hate, it's not exactly prevalent lol.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Every game should have Chun-Li

 

[Rhaknar]

There's literally only three fighting games on modern consoles that have block buttons, and two of them are from the same series. Soul Calibur 6 and Mortal Kombat X/11

I really don't get the hate, it's not exactly prevalent lol.

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topic is "what fighting game mechanic should be universal" and I gave one that is not universal.

 

[Lua]

I wish every game with a hit counter would do like King of fighters XIII and make the letters bigger the more you connect.

 

[myco666]

free framedata

 

[lucebuce]

free framedata

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That is simply absurd!

 

[hikarutilmitt]

Truly universal defense options from Virtua Fighter. It all but eliminates imbalances that require counterpicking.

 

[Lulu]

Parrying wasn't even done right in SF3, how you gonna make that shit work in every fighting game.

I don't want universal mechanics, probably just some QoL stuff.

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Yea

 

[eddiemunstr]

It only really applies to crossover style games , but groove selection. Being able to play characters using multiple games system mechanics was awesome.

 

[Rommaz]

I wish everyday that more games would have Tekken 7's slowmo near round end. That shit is hype af.

 

[mnemonicj]

Good rollback.

Edit: and crossplay.

 

[Deleted member 1102]

Parries...

...and good netcode



Mostly parries tho

 

[GamerJM]

IMO, none. Games aren't designed for mechanics to be universal. Parrying is great in 3S but I wouldn't want to see it in literally every fighting game. And then there's good netcode, which isn't a mechanic, but should be universal.

 

[Gelf]

Nothing in particular, it's good that different series have things that make them unique and fun to different people and it's good to keep it that way.

If I'm choosing to be selfish, every game can have Virtua Fighter's lenient input buffer.

 

[Dream Machine]

Everyone should have stands/personas

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

The recent gameplay reveal of Guilty Gear 2020 has of course got people talking about what makes fighting games appealing, what makes them unique, gameplay trends, etc. What I wanted to know is, was there ever a mechanic/system in a fighting game that you thought was innovative or incredibly fun that isn't commonly featured in most fighting games?

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Simplified input commands for specials from GBVS XD

(And I guess Smash Ultimate as of the Terry update)

 

[VariantX]

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lord some of us didn't even have arcades let alone locals. We'd be lucky to see a galaga machine in the 7-11

That aside, being able to put special moves or strings on screen like you can in NRS games needs to be a thing.
the sound cues that tekken has when the game auto plays combos and strings that help with players getting the timings correctly.

QoL features should be universal, not mechanics though.

 

[Nama]

Been thinking alot about how fighting games been reducing or streamlining mechanics to on board new people but what would you guys think about a traditional fighter that had a dedicated special button like smash? While I'm not sure I actually want this, I have been giving alot of thought to Terry in smash and how they got all his specials in. Most fighting game characters tend to have 2-5 specials which could be mapped to the directions. Can still keep the command imput versions or even use the true input for "better" versions of the move or as shortcuts for Heavy or EX moves.