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Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
1,323
I feel like any mention of Noam Chomsky here, it's all like "He only hates America" or "He's a russian Putin plant" or "Chomsky is all whataboutism".

Is there anything problematic with him?
 

Masoyama

Attempted to circumvent a ban with an alt account
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Oct 27, 2017
5,648
I mean, I hold Chomskys views above just above any other political commentator out there. No one is perfect, but he is pretty great.
 

Aurongel

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Oct 28, 2017
7,065
I certainly don't speak for everyone on the forum but I would imagine Chomksy's past comments about making peace with Russia and seeking to deter antagonistic against them are aspects of his personal politics that people here might find questionable. Especially following the 2016 election and all the blowback from it.

Anyone calling him conservative are being willfully ignorant at worst and hyperbolic at best.
 

collige

Member
Oct 31, 2017
12,772
Who's saying this exactly? I don't haunt PoliERA or anything, but I don't really see Chomsky great brought up much at all anymore.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,965
Huh? There have been 2 other Noam threads on this site ever. I'd wager most people here know little to nothing about him.
 

Masoyama

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Oct 27, 2017
5,648
Who's saying this exactly? I don't haunt PoliERA or anything, but I don't really see Chomsky great brought up much at all anymore.

His framing of historical events and particularly his positions on the US being, for the most part, an evil and terrorist state still hold water. His views on day to day and current events can become muddy and weird. Dude is like 90+ years old, though, no need for him to be out there still fighting people that have no interest in having a real conversation.
 

Rag

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,874
It's been too long since I studied linguistics, but my main beef with him was because my linguistics professor thought he was a quack who would make his ideas more and more vague every time one of his theories was proved wrong by folks putting them to the test.
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,228
I agree with some of what he has said about American imperialism.

His hand waiving around non-Western imperialism is my issue.
 

SoundCheck

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,489
He is a true leftist that speak hard thuths that some liberals here aren't ready to hear yet. Of course he will be disliked in era.

I don't like all his opinions btw (especially regarding the antifa movement).
 

Rosebud

Two Pieces
Member
Apr 16, 2018
43,592
It was fun to see the alt-right outrage when he came to Brazil visit Lula in prison.

But tbh I don't know much about him, have one of his books in my backlog.
 

Doggg

â–˛ Legend â–˛
Member
Nov 17, 2017
14,459
I can't comment on his work in linguistics, but politically, I mostly agree with him.
 

Jeb

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Mar 14, 2018
2,145
I love him for calling out the US government's BS and basically pointing out how supposed modern "democracies" can be just as ruthless as any dictator.
 

MegaMix

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
786
Chomsky is great, however he does have some political naivety when it comes to foreign politics (was pro-PSUV on Venezuela until it was way too late), but even there his track record is better than almost anyone else.

Being honest though he really isn't even that far left as people say he is.
 

Dingens

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Oct 26, 2017
2,018
He is a true leftist that speak hard thuths that some liberals here aren't ready to hear yet. Of course he will be disliked in era.

Couldn't have said it any better.

He's a composed but brilliant mind, who also dares to question convinient "truths" and gets a lot of flack for it.
It will be a huge loss for the world once he's no longer among us - which given is age becomes more likely by the day, sadly
 

fick

Alt-Account
Banned
Nov 24, 2018
2,261
Smart guy with some stuff I agree with, and some stuff I question.
 

Masoyama

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Oct 27, 2017
5,648
He is a true leftist that speak hard thuths that some liberals here aren't ready to hear yet. Of course he will be disliked in era.

I don't like all his opinions btw (especially regarding the antifa movement).

He holds an internally consistent view of antifa even if I disagree with it. He is all about the politics of power and how considering how things will be spun as the decisions are being made. He has a solid position when he says that the mostly conservative media and politicians will use the potential of violence from the left as a means of courting centrist voters. I understand where he is coming from, but I think that attacking fascists and making them afraid to be out in the open more than compensates the negatives.
 

Budi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,883
Finland
I don't know if there's anything problematic with him, I'm not aware if there is or I just don't see it as problematic. I consider myself a fan, but I'm not an expert on the guy.
 

Daria

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,881
The Twilight Zone
His framing of historical events and particularly his positions on the US being, for the most part, an evil and terrorist state still hold water. His views on day to day and current events can become muddy and weird. Dude is like 90+ years old, though, no need for him to be out there still fighting people that have no interest in having a real conversation.

His age shouldn't dictate his ability to continue to stand his ground. This is what he's lived for during his lifetime, it seems fit that he's willing to not backdown quietly.
 

Deleted member 25606

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Oct 29, 2017
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He's not part of the political mainstream and not bought off. So it makes him one of the few people worth listening to in america whether you agree with him or not.
 

Masoyama

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Oct 27, 2017
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His age shouldn't dictate his ability to continue to stand his ground. This is what he's lived for during his lifetime, it seems fit that he's willing to not backdown quietly.

I understand that. Its a matter of energy though. Its a much tougher ask for a 90 year old to put himself out there and write and have discussions that it is even for a 70 year old. Your body breaks down and is not the same. His mind still seems to be all there, though, which is great.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,899
Ontario
Some late arrivals to the anti-imperialist tradition try to stick Cambodian apologia on him for a few remarks he made taking a cautious stance during the initial civil conflict on the basis that the US was actively involved about spreading misinformation about nationalist movements in the far east.
He later admitted his error and labeled them the most monstrous regime since the Third Reich so I'm not really sure about where the issue stems from other then a narrow reading.
 

Stooge

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Oct 29, 2017
11,228
Some late arrivals to the anti-imperialist tradition try to stick Cambodian apologia on him for a few remarks he made taking a cautious stance during the initial civil conflict on the basis that the US was actively involved about spreading misinformation about nationalist movements in the far east.
He later admitted his error and labeled them the most monstrous regime since the Third Reich so I'm not really sure about where the issue stems from other then a narrow reading.

He has a general history of trying to blame all awful things on being predominantly a Western created issue and I think generally takes agency away from truly awful acts committed outside of his view. It doesn't mean he's not partially write but I find some of his answers oversimplified versions that want to start and stop blame in the West when there are plenty of issues to go around.

He is a man with a hammer and everything looks like a nail to him. And that hammer is American imperialism.
 

SoundCheck

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Oct 27, 2017
2,489
He holds an internally consistent view of antifa even if I disagree with it. He is all about the politics of power and how considering how things will be spun as the decisions are being made. He has a solid position when he says that the mostly conservative media and politicians will use the potential of violence from the left as a means of courting centrist voters. I understand where he is coming from, but I think that attacking fascists and making them afraid to be out in the open more than compensates the negatives.
Agree with you 100%
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,780
He has a general history of trying to blame all awful things on being predominantly a Western created issue and I think generally takes agency away from truly awful acts committed outside of his view. It doesn't mean he's not partially write but I find some of his answers oversimplified versions that want to start and stop blame in the West when there are plenty of issues to go around.

He is a man with a hammer and everything looks like a nail to him. And that hammer is American imperialism.

when has he criticized american imperialism for something that wasnt american imperialism
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,865
I certainly don't speak for everyone on the forum but I would imagine Chomksy's past comments about making peace with Russia and seeking to deter antagonistic against them are aspects of his personal politics that people here might find questionable.

Nothing inherently unusual about that. That viewpoint is broadly in line with mainstream US neorealist theory.
 

Artdayne

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Nov 7, 2017
5,015
He is a true leftist that speak hard thuths that some liberals here aren't ready to hear yet. Of course he will be disliked in era.

I don't like all his opinions btw (especially regarding the antifa movement).

What is his position on antifa? I think Chomsky is generally really good. No one is perfect but I think he's been a great political thinker for decades.
 

Regulus Tera

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Oct 25, 2017
19,458
He's an anti-imperialist, with all that entails. I do think he's a bit stubborn in the instances where the anti-American rhetoric of his is not adequate enough to explain an event. Dude should probably step back a little bit.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
He's pretty on point when it comes to the US and how it conducts itself domestically and internationally.

The US sees itself as above the rules.
 

Sinfamy

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's always been right.
People criticize him in the moment, and retroactively he's always proven right.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,899
Ontario
He has a general history of trying to blame all awful things on being predominantly a Western created issue and I think generally takes agency away from truly awful acts committed outside of his view. It doesn't mean he's not partially write but I find some of his answers oversimplified versions that want to start and stop blame in the West when there are plenty of issues to go around.

He is a man with a hammer and everything looks like a nail to him. And that hammer is American imperialism.

I'm gonna need some examples. The reality is mainstream american discourse does everything to sanitize american involvement in things from the the rise of the third Reich, the beginning of the cold war and the post detente acts of soviet "aggression". Chomsky is far more precise over a wider field and period then most of contemporaries.
 

ty_hot

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Dec 14, 2017
7,176
Pointing out USA's mistakes does hurt for some people.

I dont know much about him, but the little I've read was good stuff.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,694
I like Noam Chomsky a lot, but that being said, I don't agree with everything he says. He is a very smart dude that points out many inconvenient truths regarding the Western World's power structures.

That being said, I think his political stances, while admirable in theory, can not be executed in practice. They are Anarcho-syndicalism / Libertarian Socialism. I am more of an advocate for something that is proven to work and work very well at that: the Nordic Model, which is a form of Social Democracy.
 

Futureman

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Oct 26, 2017
9,404
Poor man's Howard Zinn.

Kidding but from the little I read of both, they seemed to me to be coming from a similar viewpoint but Zinn just seemed more compassionate/human if that makes sense. Maybe though Chomsky is just more blunt about the situation of the world.
 

Palette Swap

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
11,212
He's a great intellectual who's made great contributions. He's been particularly spot on denouncing western imperialism and commercial media cartels. Even though he's cultivated some pretty bad blind spots when it came to some authoritarian regimes, the world is a better place with him in it.
 
Oct 31, 2017
10,056
A good political theorist. His earlier linguisitics are properly interesting as well, although I'm less qualified comment on that area