What do you do when an old friend murders their entire family?

Dec 21, 2017
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I'm having a bit of trouble processing this at the moment for obvious reasons.

In college, me and a pal were pretty close. During which, he got married, things started falling apart between them, he got evicted and lost his car, and had to jump back home a few states away. He was never one to actively be on facebook, so not talking to him wasn't much of a surprise.

He was never fond of his family, but apparently life after our parting hadn't gone well. It's not hard for me to see a guy spending two years with a family he hates and has no room to grow out of leading to someone snapping.

It's tragic, and i'm at a complete loss.
 

retroman

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Oct 31, 2017
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What the hell...

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

And I hope you never plan to contact that person ever again.
 

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Be more selective when making friends in future.
 

Mekanos

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OP, I can't help but feel like you're burying the lede a bit on this one.

Is uh, your friend in prison or something?
 
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That would destroy me. I'm so sorry, OP.

My advice is to try and feel everything you're feeling, including the utter tragedy and senselessness of it, and feel the sorrow for a friend becoming so broken. Definitely seek therapy. Talk to family, friends, and loved ones too. Take space to process these feelings if you need to of course, but don't do it in isolation too much.

Is there anyone else who knows him who you could talk to about this? It might help to commiserate and empathize with someone who is similarly in shock over this.
 
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Jesus...

It's nowhere near as severe, but I remember reading about a pedo sting operation in Florida where they caught someone soliciting sex from a 14 year old girl... and that person was my childhood friend and neighbor growing up. I definitely think therapy is the way to go on this one.
It's nowhere near as severe as that, but my childhood friend and neighbor was arrested for beating his kid. Given my hometown [Small town that doubles as a hive of scum and villainy], that's less surprising though.

That would destroy me. I'm so sorry, OP.

My advice is to try and feel everything you're feeling, including the utter tragedy and senselessness of it, and feel the sorrow for a friend becoming so broken. Definitely seek therapy. Talk to family, friends, and loved ones too. Take space to process these feelings if you need to of course, but don't do it in isolation too much.

Is there anyone else who knows him who you could talk to about this? It might help to commiserate and empathize with someone who is similarly in shock over this.
I can't afford therapy and this will likely pass, i'm just sort of...in the moment of it all.
 

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I feel you OP. There was a horrible case last year where this gigantic dude (like 6'7", 280 lb, gym every day kind of guy) had a psychotic break and went insane on his tinder date...like numerous deep slashes and stab wounds, broken eye sockets and jaw and skull fractures, bite wounds, absolutely vile stuff. He died after the cops came and tazed him, thankfully she survived but with these horrible injuries.

His name sounded familiar and it turned out it was my cousin's childhood best friend, I had spent a ton of time with him playing video games and at sleepovers with them. I didn't even like him then, and I hadn't seen or talked to him in probably 15 years, but it still really fucked with me.

I tried to talk to my cousin about it but he didn't want to, neither did my aunt, and my immediate family didn't remember him. I do wish I had been able to hash out my feelings with someone who knew him, that would be my recommendation to you if you have any old mutual friends or acquaintances. The feeling that I knew someone who was capable of something so disgusting and evil was really strange and affected me for a while.
 
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I know a guy from school, he was a traveller and he always smelt real bad, so he was bullied quite badly, worse than I was even. Then a few years ago I met some people I knew from school who told me he was in prison for murdering his mother and girlfriend and cutting them up and trying to get rid of the bodies in bin bags. I had no idea how to react to the news.
 

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Jesus. Some people in my old hometown have their skeletons in their closets (one of my biggest bullies as a kid became a drug kingpin's lieutenant and went to jail) but this takes the cake.

Talk to a therapist, or maybe find a local support group if therapy is too expensive. There are always people to talk to and this 100% seems like something you should be talking through, not just squelching down.
 

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Wow... I remember reading about this story a little while ago. I was in philly for work when it happened.
 

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I know someone that shot his ex-girlfriend (my friend) and then shot himself. It's a lot to handle. Time is the best medicine. You don't think you'll get better right now but you eventually will. Just try to continue with life as best you can in the meantime.
 

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Talk to a therapist if you can. One of teammates who was a good friend of my brother and frequently spent the night at our house murdered his father. It had been a few years since he was in my life but it really helped to talk to someone about it. I wasn't processing it by myself.
 

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WTF?! I thought this was going to be about Naruto.

Your friend is a monster.
 

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Awful to hear OP, but the first step should to be accept that there was little you could do. No one in your position could have know he was going down this path and you obviously had no way of knowing or intervening.
 
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Yo that some wild shit to hear

don't worry tho I knew some people who had a lot skeletons in their closet

The best friend of mine at the time, had 2 kids with a very mentally unstable girl and took advantage of my friendship, nearly gets me killed, i break up my friendship with him and the last I heard, he has three more kids with 2 different women and a construction worker in Iowa.

I worked with a dude who murdered a dude and totally admitted it on FB some years back I even made a thread about it
surreal

and a girl I went to group therapy was/is a person of interest that happened in my hometown
 
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How about you wait for more information before you completely ruin their friendship, smh my head
We haven't talked in a few years and he's never on. I'd call it something of a dead friendship, but this sort of cements it. There's not much more info aside from his confession which cements it.

Some weird glib replies here. Sorry OP.
Honestly, it's fine. Been talking to some pals about it and it's...just strange.
 

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I don't really think this has much to do with you OP but when a seven year old is murdered maybe the best reaction is not "I could see how the killer snapped"
 
Oct 28, 2017
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So the event in question happened near my old neighborhood and one of the killers victims (Sa-yeed, 18) was a classmate of my son who is a senior this year. I'm not sure what to say that wont seem like speculative nonsense and hearsay but the killer has had issues and it seems like people knew about it. It is an very unfortunate norm in the black community that Mental Health seems to take a backseat and it only in recent years has it even been ok for us to discuss it aloud.


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By the way, does the rest of the country (world) no just how fucked up West Philly has become? You hear about Chicago all the time but it seems like West Philly is not getting the coverage.
 
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kubev

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Depending on how you're coping with it, therapy may be something to consider. It's an odd feeling when someone you were once very close to does something so horrific.

Back in 2009, my mom killed her second husband by shooting him in the head as he slept and dragged the body out to the garage, where she left it for a couple of days. She was sentenced to 65 years in prison, because it was considered premeditated, as she purchased a freezer shortly beforehand with the intention of storing his body in there. She thankfully stopped short of dismembering his corpse with an axe when she found that his body wouldn't fit into the freezer whole and turned herself in.

Keep in mind that she did this 2-3 days after Mother's Day that year. (That year was a complete nightmare in general, actually, as it was the same year in which my cousin and my older brother died.) I called her on Mother's Day, and everything seemed totally fine. I found out about it when my dad called me a couple of weeks later. It turns out that one of my brothers was Googling the names of family members for fun and came up with an article about our mom killing her husband. I was getting ready for work when my dad called, and I had absolutely no way how to respond. I ended up just going to work and spoke to my supervisor about it.

My supervisor was like, "Are you okay?"

I was like, "Yeah, I guess so. I mean, it's not like he killed her."

I really didn't know how to feel, though. Over time, I learned that her husband was really controlling and manipulative. It's a shame that things came to the point that they did, but I honestly feel very little inclination to stay in touch with her anymore. I haven't written to her in a long time, which may seem callous, but it got to a point that I just didn't even feel like I was having an exchange with my mom. She seemed like a completely different person. Not that the act itself had immediately changed her, necessarily, but rather that I don't really feel that she ever took proper responsibility for the act and seemed really dismissive of it.

Also, I have to say that I absolutely HATE working on Mother's Day now. I'm always really distracted at work on Mother's Day, because I'm continually and uncontrollably running through all of the various conversations that I might have with people in response to simple questions like "Did you get anything for your mom for Mother's Day?" or "Are you taking your mom anywhere for Mother's Day?" I hate to lie about anything, even something so trivial, so I won't just claim that I have anything planned. There've been years when the subject just doesn't come up, but it doesn't stop me from playing through all of these scenarios in my mind until my shift ends, because I'm not even comfortable talking to random people about it. I'm not just gonna blurt out the fact that my mom's in prison or that she killed her husband, as I don't think many people will even know how to react to something like that. It's something that people who know me reasonably well know, but it's something that I like to make sure I don't have to just blurt out and leave as part of a brief and incomplete conversation.

Obviously, my dad also had a lot to think about after this happened, because that very well could've been him, as he was similarly very controlling back when my parents were still together.

Best of luck in coping with this, in either case. It's super-weird when something like this happens, and it's a completely different feeling from experiencing the death of a loved one or just about anything else people could imagine. It's really unsettling how someone you know - especially if you think he/she wouldn't harm a fly - ends up doing something like this.
 
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