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floridaguy954

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Oct 29, 2017
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The Division 2 and Anthem. They're going to be laden with micro transactions and probably launch in a buggy, incomplete state.
Joke post?

The Division have proven itself (the devs stuck with the game all the way until now) and it remains one of the highest selling games of the generation. I really don't get how you can lump it together with Anthem.

Anyways, my answer is going to be Rage 2. Bethesda is sending that shit to die without a Steam release on PC.
 

Fawk Nin

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Nov 6, 2017
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Very concerned that Prime 4 will be a critical flop (if it hits next year). And regardless of this, I'm very concerned it will be a commerical flop. Really hope I'm wrong on both counts though.
 

emir

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,501
RAGE 2, Crackdown 3, The Division 2, FarCry New Dawn, E3 2019.

Explosion in the dumpster is heard from 843882 km away.
 
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Procheno

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Nov 14, 2018
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Days Gone won't be a critical darling (aka high 80s, low 90 metacritic) like most high profile Sony launches but it'll definitely sell well. If it doesn't I will be extremely surprised
 

Iwao

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Oct 25, 2017
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And yet you're singling me out when there have been countless other people name dropping Dreams and Days Gone.

I didn't single you out though. I have quoted others with the Dreams and Days Gone mentions and I think those people are wrong too, especially when the thread title is "biggest flop" and there are stronger candidates. I noticed that you posted what you did in this thread, as I was reading it. You have a particular history of making extremely rough calls when it comes to Sony games, so your post did stand out especially with the bad reasoning you gave. If you're trying to put across the impression that I'm somehow stalking your comments, then I'd reply not to flatter yourself.

And you were responding to me with some nonsense in the other thread about a Marvel game being exclusive to Xbox.
There was no "nonsense" posted by myself or anyone else making similar arguments in the Marvel thread. Just stuff you didn't like. You just seemingly think the industry works differently to how it actually does. Lots of assertions without data to back it up.

Dreams could flop, but that flop is bigger than Dreams. Media Molecule has not had a successful game ever (maybe LBP did okay, but that's it). And now they've been working on this Dreams game for 3-4 years and there's no hype around it and they're seeming to be gearing it toward VR which as we all know is very niche. So that's why that could flop.

Dreams could flop in any reality, but whatever shallow and fallacious judgements you are making here cannot will it into existence. The fact that you said that Media Molecule has "not had a successful game ever", shows you haven't cared to research what you're proposing. You say "maybe"... the first one alone sold 5 million units. LittleBigPlanet has been one of Sony's biggest earning series in recent years based on the downloadable content alone. Their earnings span beyond the base games and DLC has been a lucrative source for Sony (60 million downloads). LBP2 was another successful product which went on to inspire more DLC purchases over a few more years. By 2012, the LBP series had sold 8.5 million copies, and Media Molecule's games were responsible for most of that.

Tearaway was a game on a niche handheld and given its origins and a team of 15 people making it as a standalone experience without the same scale or point-of-sale model as LBP. Dreams is Media Molecule's first full-scale project since LBP2 that is as ambitious and innovative as the original LBP. So its appeal is a little bit wider than being the mascot of a failing handheld, if that was not clear.

Media Molecule are not "gearing" the game towards VR, they are making it compatible with PSVR. They have said that not every level in Dreams will be playable in VR, so it will be a thing reserved for PSVR owners and not the basis for the whole game. Why on earth are you trying to use PSVR's audience to conflate Dream's audience as niche? You don't need PSVR to get the most out of Dreams. It's fully optimised and playable with a DualShock 4 on a 1080p screen. You think it could flop because Media Molecule wants to provide options for those who have PSVR? I'm not sure how a take can be more ridiculous.

And I've already said why Days Gone could flop. And the thing that could save it is the zombies which are still massively popular. I don't know anything about these other games so they're obviously not being promoted as much so calling them flops is kind of ironic. Not a lot of people know what those games are. People know what Days Gone and Dreams are so they're on a bunch of people's minds as potential flops.

All you said about why Days Gone could flop was:
  • "Delays" (makes no sense)
  • "Unproven studio" (simply not true)
  • "Etc" (you didn't expand on the et cetera part)
These 2 games are on a bunch of people's minds as flops for whatever reason, but as I posted a few pages back - this thread is going to be very, very, very entertaining to come back to in 12 months time. Era is a bubble, and a lot of people think certain things about games that are completely bizarre and removed from reality. Underestimating the sales of Marvel's Spider-Man, is a more recent example as I'm sure you're aware. A game like Control, is the next big game for Remedy. It's AAA and if not a lot of people know about it and aren't excited for it, then it stands to be a bigger flop.

You also didn't answer my previous questions so I'll rephrase: What do you think would Dreams and Days Gone have to each have to sell to not be a flop?
 
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shoptroll

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May 29, 2018
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At the last couple of E3s it felt like Sony's was trying to position Days Gone as one of their top-flight games in the vein of GoW or LoU and it just doesn't look like it's even in the same ballpark as those. I think they're betting big on it but the gameplay looks so generic I can't imagine it sells well. High sales expectation + low performance = flop right?

So I'm going to go with Days Gone.
 

RulkezX

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Days Gone and Anthem predictions remind me of you guys laughing at Wildlands until it was the best selling game of that year before CoD hit ( then you all slink off and pretend like the game didn't exist)

Hopefully Anthem does well and you folk can get over your EA hatred.
 

Deleted member 9306

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Everyone saying Anthem will flop - I hope it doesn't because I want my Dragon Age 4.

But seriously, probably Division 2, Rage 2 (Like another poster said, no1cares about Rage anymore).

I think Metro will do average sales.
 

Sphinx

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Nov 29, 2017
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why is this thread exclusively about Sony games? MS and N could release retail flops next year too
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly even tho I love his games and will buy Death Stranding day one, I could see it flopping critically

Kojima remover from MGS will be risky. He won't have the series gameplay to back him up and what we've seen so far looks like a cool, lonely adventure game but I could see the gameplay leaving something to be desired

I don't hope for this but I could see it happening
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Rage 2 and it won't be close.

No one bought Rage 1. No one will buy Rage 2, and Bethesda is hurting themselves even more by relegating it to their PC launcher that no one uses.
 

Demacabre

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Nov 20, 2017
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It will probably be something announced at E3 this year and then launched in the fall. GaaS that once again rushes it out for the holiday money and be riddled with bugs, barebones content, and maybe some sort of other issue.

As far as we know... I don't see anything flopping as they have enough time to at least release a solid game or delay it. I think most will hit their expectations. Much to my dislike, Anthem will be solid - nothing amazing but nothing dire. Critically, I can see Crackdown 3 being middling to poor - but I believe Microsoft expects that so... that isn't a quite flop. The rest of the cited sources will either surprise or meet their modest expectations.

But, one of the big publishers will get greedy and chase that holiday 2019 GaaS money and announce that game at E3. That will be spectacular in it's flop potential.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Red Dead Online emerges from BETA and becomes like an "official" game next year, then it'd be that. But, similar to Fallout 76, even though both games are clearly unfinished, they're squarely 2018 releases.

To come up with a flop it has to be a really high profile game, so that's why people are throwing out AAA games. If some lesser known game that nobody cares about flops, then it's not really a flop. It has to be a game with a big budget and a lot of promotion.

I think it's probably going to be Anthem or The Division 2. A lot of stallwarts won't allot first party games to be considered a flop, and I think ultimately Sony's studios delivers. But, third party games released by major companies are prime for flop territory. Anthem seems to be the one that's primed the best because it's probably going to take a games-as-a-service approach to content, launching kinda thin, disappointing at launch, with technical issues, and then slowly add more... Akin to Destiny. When Destiny launched I would have called it a major flop, but with subsequent content releases the community ended up coming around on it... but back in 2014, Destiny felt like a major flop to me. Today I don't think many people would say that Destiny was a flop, but in Sept, Oct, Nov 2014 when it came out, it certainly felt like it came way short of expectations.

So I'll say that Anthem most fits the 'Destiny' like blueprint.

For sure, Anthem will do better than Far Cry 6 (or w/e it is), Rage 2, etc., but there's not that much hype around those games, at least compared to Anthem.
 

TheBaldwin

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Feb 25, 2018
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why is this thread exclusively about Sony games? MS and N could release retail flops next year too

Think its because sonys been on such a run critically and commercial its easy to determine if one of there games is a flop

Crackdown people dont have much expectation for, but because of game pass the numbers are hard to determine

But era doesnt have much faith in days gone, and neither do it tbh but i bet sony will prove us wrong again
 

Brake

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Feb 6, 2018
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Team Sonic Racing. Definitely it will not the biggest flop, but I think it will underperform. Unless they use the delay to improve a lot on the game.
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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why is this thread exclusively about Sony games? MS and N could release retail flops next year too

Thanks to Gamepass Microsoft are effectively left out of these type of conversations, even if Crackdown sells terribly they'll remark how many are playing it via Gamepass and pass it off as a success.

And most of Nintendo's big games next year will do good like they've been doing so far.
 

Decarb

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Oct 27, 2017
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People predicting Days Gone as the "biggest" flop of 2019 shows we learned nothing from last two threads (2017 and 2018).
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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People predicting Days Gone as the "biggest" flop of 2019 shows we learned nothing from last two threads (2017 and 2018).

Reading the 2018 thread is really fun in hindsight, not just because it's still mostly Anthem/Crackdown/Days Gone being mentioned

Either Days Gone or Anthem.
Anthem if it ever comes out & ppl see the crappy loot box system
Yeah Dreams and Crackdown 3 are also good candidates.

But because many were doubting Spider-Man, which gave us zingers like this.

Spider-Man. For one thing it's an incredibly expensive production and the whole studio is working on it, so with each passing day that project is leaking money to begin with. And then when it does come out, it'll be to a lukewarm response from the press who will be quick to point out that it's all flash and no substance. Lots of pretty graphics and top-tier production values, but zero fun to actually play. This toxic reception upon release will ultimately be its downfall and sales will dry up very quickly.

I think historically, Spider-Man will go down as one of the biggest video game flops of all time.
 

ThreepQuest64

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Oct 29, 2017
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Germany
Anthem. This shit needs to be a death birth. But looking at Destiny, I don't this happen unfortunately.

So it's probably gonna be Rage 2, at least on PC. Sadly.
 

Acquiescence

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Oct 26, 2017
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Lake Titicaca
But because many were doubting Spider-Man, which gave us zingers like this.

Sony haven't even released any numbers for Spider-Man yet, so there's nothing to disprove what I wrote in my post. The fact that they're being so tight-lipped and quiet in regards to Spider-Man's sales makes that last line declaration look like it's right on the money more than anything.
 

Bunkles

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Oct 26, 2017
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Sony haven't even released any numbers for Spider-Man yet, so there's nothing to disprove what I wrote in my post. The fact that they're being so tight-lipped and quiet in regards to Spider-Man's sales makes that last line declaration look like it's right on the money more than anything.

You said this and you still stand by it: "I think historically, Spider-Man will go down as one of the biggest video game flops of all time."

tenor.gif
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sony haven't even released any numbers for Spider-Man yet, so there's nothing to disprove what I wrote in my post. The fact that they're being so tight-lipped and quiet in regards to Spider-Man's sales makes that last line declaration look like it's right on the money more than anything.

I assume you're joking but it sold 3.3 mil in the first 3 days alone, making it the fastest selling PS4 exclusive in history.

It's the fastest selling Spider-Man game ever, it generated more profit than the last Spider-Man film.
 

Megabreath

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Oct 25, 2018
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I don't think it will flop but got a feel Anthem will under perform.

EA just don't seem to be hitting it at the moment with marketing and the game looks like something that should of come out in 2015
 

Smokey_Run

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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A slightly new perspective on things: Red Dead Online. Old west is going to be extremely limiting and it already seems to be on uneasy footing. By the end of the year, I could see Rockstar and Take Two refocusing their efforts on GTAO.

Rage 2 will likely tank. I'm personally looking forward to it, but I just see it following the trend of recent Bethesda releases.
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't expect Anthem to flop by most measures. But I side-eyed EA raising their sales expectations for its release quarter due to evidence of high interest. My prediction here is that it will sell reasonably well but not hit the markers recently established by EA's future checkbook analysis. And, because EA is EA, they'll remove too much staff too early and the content release schedule will be affected, causing more players to drop off and EA to somehow spin this internally as further evidence that trimming down the production team was a smart move.

Ultimately, Anthem will be a decent success in the short-term and retain a fair but unspectacular number of players long-term. Clickbait YouTubism and GamerGate-backed trash websites will use every opportunity possible to claim that the game has been a total disaster financially despite strong evidence to the contrary, constantly citing ridiculous EA quotes and pretending they know people on the project who are on the verge of complete mental breakdowns, in order to influence public opinion negatively. Anthem will maintain a modest profit for a few years but suffer more and more from increased competition and this predictable plague of literally fake news, and circa 2023 Jason Schreier will report the scoop that a previously-anticipated, rumored-yet-never-confirmed, direct sequel with the totally creative title of Anthem 2 was in early development around late 2020 but quietly cancelled in late 2021.

Anyway, the real answer is Dreams.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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I don't think Days Gone will necessarily flop but when contrasted to most of Sony's first party output this generation, the hype for this game seems muted, largely because what's been shown hasn't looked all that spectacular.

It also looks mildly generic, lacking that specific flavor and identity seen with most Sony exclusives.

But at the same time I still don't know that much about the game so it could turn out to be much better than anticipated.

The developer has a solid history so I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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Sony haven't even released any numbers for Spider-Man yet, so there's nothing to disprove what I wrote in my post. The fact that they're being so tight-lipped and quiet in regards to Spider-Man's sales makes that last line declaration look like it's right on the money more than anything.

You think Spider-Man has done poorly in terms of sales?

tenor.gif


Seriously though, it speaks volumes that the game was released in early September and yet has only recently gone on sale.
 

LiquidSolid

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Oct 26, 2017
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You said this and you still stand by it: "I think historically, Spider-Man will go down as one of the biggest video game flops of all time."

tenor.gif
I assume you're joking but it sold 3.3 mil in the first 3 days alone, making it the fastest selling PS4 exclusive in history.

It's the fastest selling Spider-Man game ever, it generated more profit than the last Spider-Man film.
You think Spider-Man has done poorly in terms of sales?

tenor.gif


Seriously though, it speaks volumes that the game was released in early September and yet has only recently gone on sale.
Woosh. Never take Acquiescence seriously.
 

Deleted member 36622

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Crackdown 3, Shenmue 3 and Dreams.

Anthem will be just okay (which is not enough for EA), also Days Gone will be just okay.

I'm worried Prime 4 is Star Wars 1313 again: they will show it at E3, it will look insanely epic but then the development time will be huge and i hope Nintendo gives them the time and resources to make it anyway, otherwise that's cancelled.

Oh and i still stand on my theory that Retro's Star Fox racing game is a lie.
 
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