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What exactly is the deal with this “Anti-SJW” bullshit in the gaming community?
- Thread starter Trago
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Not at all. Me disagreeing doesn't make be abstruse. Do they come here and on our platforms? Sure but that's why we regularly ban them.
Are you really trying to compare every racist and alt-righter to that horrible person? The world would be a far more sick place if that were too. Do racists suck? Yes! But they aren't all...mass shooters. Is this something people need to justify?
In this context yes. You can't honestly believe every single racist would do that horrible act.
Maybe they wouldn't pull the trigger, but they support it. They don't fight it. They normalize the hate. They got as much blood on their hands as the one shooting.
So, yes, all racists.
It's an ideology whose end goal is a white entho-state, it's implicitly violent, how is this something we need to tolerate in civilized society?
Given that fact that you are right now going all #NOTALLRACISTS on us I stand by my statement.
Me saying that a regular racist joe would't do a horrific act is me being abstruse? How exactly?
Where is that from anyways?
Speaking of Cyberpunk, anything that does something as a parody. See Fight Club, or Spaceship Troopers. Or 40k. The many people I see try and explain to me that the Imperium of Man's ultra fascistic movement is somehow a good thing, that Tyler is right, or that the army is in the right annoys me.
If you want a live example go down to the sewer that once was the old place and see how gamers(TM) reacted to the Bloodlines 2 reveal. It's a bunch of predominantly white, predominantly male manbabies whining in unison about "sjw agendas" and "identity politics" just because the game dared to offer gender pronouns. Complete with posts reeking of transphobia and sexism. It's just shitty worthless people being shitty and worthless.
When did I say racism was a mental illness? The person comitting the act is not right in the end. A normal sane person wouldn't do what he did.
"The people who take it that far are not right in the head." This frames extremist violence through the lens that only the "most extreme" or "most mentally unstable" partake in this, even though statistically people who commit mass murder have little correlation to mental issues. Every single racist enables and encourages the dehumanization of other people, which justifies the slaughter of them.
Doing what he did is not something a mentally sound person would do. Racist or not doing anything like that isn't normal.
I've never seen a "regular racist joe" protest any non-violent racism for going too far, regardless of what it indirectly results in.
I found it on Reddit but I'm not sure if it came from there or not.
I would also put shows/movies that have a main character that is suppose to be a terrible person as another thing people don't get. I'm looking at you Breaking Bad community.
What is "normal?" This standard has changed constantly throughout history. It used to be normal to own slaves. It used to be normal that European countries would slaughter and colonize every continent they could get their hands on (for the US military, it's actually very normal even today). It's the endgame of racism, and thinking racists who don't materialize their beliefs through actions are any less complicit in the dehumanization of marginalized ethnicities is, as you said, naive.
I'm starting to think you only view racism as a problem when people end up dead.
"Look as long as racists don't (directly) kill anyone why can't you all just let them continue their beliefs and be around other racists! Leave them alone!"/s
But the context IS related to making the game
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134248/alexey_pajitnov__tetris_past_.php
It was a PC game made when PCs were not acessible to where he lived. In other places he even mentions that he tryed make pcs more acessible
If appealing to everybody except the fapping teenager is political now, how about appealing to everybody except the kids with cute creatures at that time?
That is ignoring the whole russian dressing they made for some versions
And that is all ignoring the gameplay implications related to all we know about where he was living when he created
Of course, it's the usual "equality feels like oppression" shit with these dickheads.
Importantly, companies need to make sure to ignore them and continue to diversify characters in games. It's good for business so it's going to continue whether they like it or not - eventually they'll shut the fuck up and pick something else to complain about.
Importantly, companies need to make sure to ignore them and continue to diversify characters in games. It's good for business so it's going to continue whether they like it or not - eventually they'll shut the fuck up and pick something else to complain about.
It's just gamers who hate any type of representation and diversity that isn't white and a male.
Something funny was just tweeted at me. :) I am not a she, but okay. :D
I hope you keep tweeting pics of your cats, btw. They are cute.
You can't dismiss a hate crime as mental illness. Are you this person's doctor? What specific medical condition have they been diagnosed with?
The normal racist as in the kind that sits back and watches Jews get gassed and cheer it on in the comfort of their living room. You know the ones that don't have a problem with putting children in cages. It's not like they are the ones rounding Jews and South American children, that would be bad, the normal shit like chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "Mexicans are rapist".
Something funny was just tweeted at me. :) I am not a she, but okay. :D
I feel personally attacked by this because I am a dog person
We got Gamergate before they got Comicsgate, so my guess Gamers are ahead of the trash curve.
Roughly how many right-wing mass-shootings would it take for you to classify that behaviour as normal among racists?
Your foot's in your mouth Jeffery. Learn from it and move on. This childish wiggling around and blame fingering doesn't change your words being poorly chosen nor makes taking an absolutism stance on the matter acceptable. I don't know, go away! - isn't something I'd expect from a poster who went to the trouble to get verified as a journalist.
As long as people sit around with this attitude that they can condemn a whole race or sex and that's perfectly OK because there's bad eggs in that group, resentment will grow. You have to be better than your enemies, not stoop to their level. This perhaps has a lot to do with why there's a growing push back against SWJ's. (I hate that term but it's what was used in this post) When you make statements that ALL boys are this or that you then start offending people who aren't part of the problem but are now lumped into it. This more than anything pertains to the subject of this thread: Growing resentment against people trying to advance society.
As the industry moves forward, the toxic people will have less and less bastions of homogenization to hide in. Those who are in actual control, the developers and publishers are on the side of equality and that's all that matters. Look at games like Apex Legends where almost every single character is unique and represented. That game is doing gangbusters! DICE basically said "Fuck you" and made BFV more inclusive. Even "bro" games like Call of Duty now feature characters who are LGBT. (although it's not at the forefront, it still exists) Indie creators are breaking down walls not just for people of color, new genders or beliefs but also making statements on mental health issues and what society is today. Hopefully things like Apple Arcade can enable even more of these types of games that may not be viable otherwise to exist.
There's absolutely no future for racist, sexist or whatever slime people may be in the gaming industry. As far as I see no one's interested in catering to them and before long, they'll be ousted totally. It's inevitable and that's probably what's making them louder every day. Let em cry. It won't stop the future.
I think an interesting question would be: Am I wrong to believe the industry is making these people extinct? As they cry for gaming to be only white, male and straight, are any series actually catering to that? I can't think of any obvious offenders but am I blind to them? Sure there's more work to do but it seems like most series are on the path already in some way.
If people take more offense for a generalization than the problem being discussed, then fuck them. I know when women friends talk about men harrassing them and conclude that men ain't shit, I'm not there to say, "Wait, hold up, I'VE never done that," because it isn't the point. You KNOW exactly what they're talking about, and if you aren't part of the problem, then you shouldn't feel offended. If you step into a thread, a topic, a discussion about an ailment in this world, something impacting marginalized people and voices, and your first instinct is to say, "Wait not ALL 'insert demographic here,' instead of addressing the topic, then maybe it's time to take a look at why it bothers you so much to be lumped in with a group of people that doesn't really include you.
The good thing is that they're losing the war, but it's a shame that some of the big publishers (Ubisoft) are afraid to speak out against racists, white supremacy, and the bullshit that comes from the far right for the fear that it'll offend them.
Wow. WOW.
There's a LOT to unpack here. Please engage with that Pyramid Of White Supremacy above, because if you cannot see why everyday "casual" racism leads to violence and, yes, murders, you have a lot to take in and reflect on. Start with why you feel the need to defend racists and alt-righters.
what does "land whale" even mean or refer to??Something funny was just tweeted at me. :) I am not a she, but okay. :D
The racist wouldn't pull the trigger themselves.
They'll just support/vote for the ones who will.
Fat shaming.
But... also yeah this.
Back in the day when online games were hosted on some one's server, communities emerged where it was the same people playing with each other regularly. With the prevalence of matching making these communities have been lost. This is a big deal as there were many servers with rules and expectations enforced by the more trusted users. Hate wasn't tolerated by and large.
Even shitty people had incentive to behave properly if they were being banned from servers left and right.
Even shitty people had incentive to behave properly if they were being banned from servers left and right.
This is one of the worst thinly veiled racism I've seen on this forum.
The reactions of "not all men/gamers/etc" always comes across as a defensive kneejerk to separate an enjoyed hobby or whatnot from the bad parts. If those influence of elements don't permeate the medium as a whole, you can just easily excise the bad or just focus on enjoying the good and ignore the rest
But that kind of easy separation is only a facade.
From what I can tell 4chan users like to use it when referring to people who 'squeal' their outrage about things, presumably about social issues.
"Fuck them" isn't a healthy alternative to actually defining a problem group correctly. It only adds those people you don't give a "fuck" about to the pile of resistance and jaded voices. I get what you are saying 100% but it doesn't really work outside of social circles. The goal should be making it obvious why change is needed and helping people see that. Not drawing lines in the sand, expecting people to just intrinsically know who you mean and not be be offended when they are lumped into toxic circles. Maybe I'm being too optimistic on the subject but it isn't that hard to not use generalizations in the same way as the people you're fighting against do.
If they don't give a fuck about how their view and voice affects people and you also don't give a fuck about the people who may be offended on your side as well then how in the world is anything supposed to get better? There's extreme sides to everything but it's the people in the middle that matter. They're the ones who ultimately take a side and tip the scales one way or another.
At the end of the day, no one likes being lumped into groups they don't belong to. It's the absolute core of the entire social movement today. I get that you're trying to demean my stance at the end by telling me to ask myself why I'm "bothered" but think about that deeper. Why does it bother you that someone might not want to be labeled as something they aren't? Why bother people in the first place? Why not create allies as opposed to indifference or worse, new enemies?
Echo chambers aren't the answer. Conversations are.
You wrote a lot of words when you could have summed it up in 3: #NotAllMen