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What happened to Devil May Cry V?
- Thread starter Zukuu
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100% agree on the environments. Was really looking forward to the game but never quite finished it, just got bored and moved on, figured it was partly because of the bland, repetitive environments later in the game.The combat is awesome though, maybe my tastes have just changed since DMC 3 (which i loved to death).
I can't believe this is not bait/troll post! Because honestly there is no way in you are serious. Like I could understand when people complain about the environments, although I honestly find them alright, but calling the combat terrible, and complaining about the character models? What on earth are you smoking dude? Is that not even mentioning that part about the game feeling like a budget title.
It holds up way better than a lot of games of its time. The enemies are really simple in comparison to everything that's not DMC2 in the franchise, and it's a bit hard to go back to not-style-switching constantly when you're on Dante to the point of being annoying. Seriously, the normal versions of DMC3 have the D-Pad going to menu shortcuts and it's a pain to keep going into the map screen because you want to Rain Storm.
So you've got two good options:
1.) Look into either getting the PC Style Switcher mod going because it adds a ton of really nice things to DMC3 (Besides the namesake feature) like breaking the two weapon loadout restrictions like DMC5, giving Vergil a few new extra actions and a lot of nice QoL changes.
Or 2.) wait and see what the Switch release looks like in February which is officially adding style switching for the first time ever and has two more upcoming announcements before it releases.
There are definitely some bland sections. However, there are some good stages as well. I would say it is a bit of a mixed bag (probably leaning closer to bad than good). Definitely something I want to see them improve in DMC 6.
I strongly disagree with this. I think it is probably the best playing DMC game. While V isn't my favorite character to play, I think he adds some nice variety.
I actually think the cutscenes are far better in DMC 5. It is still very silly, but it also feels just a touch more grounded. Nero is also a better character than he was in DMC 4. Also, I thought the new characters brought a lot of spunk.
Lady and Trish were handled TERRIBLY. They could have been incorporated far, far better. That I agree with.
I think most of the character models look really good. That being said, Vergil does look pretty awful. I think Dante looks bad, too.
I disagree. I think the music is the best it has been.
I can appreciate that the game didn't click with you, but it definitely does not feel like a budget title. In general, I think it is in the running for the best Devil May Cry game with most fans.
That being said, I think some of your complaints are super valid. I hope some of those elements are addressed in the next title.
There's definitely minmaxxing going on in many AAA games.
On one hand serious Buck is spent on the pipeline itself, because it just is a lot of work creating realistic assets and stuff. At the same time both RE2 Remake and DMC spares itself the time required to set up highly directed fixed camera shots in all rooms, event music and other things they can cut with minimal damage because a player driven camera and emotion in aesthetic/animation does the job alone now.
Cutscenes are a lot more expensive to make now than they were in the past. For DMC it's comparable be ause DMC3 had some good action and direction. For RE2 it is night and day.
It's still expensive games, but the budget lies in other areas than it used to.
On one hand serious Buck is spent on the pipeline itself, because it just is a lot of work creating realistic assets and stuff. At the same time both RE2 Remake and DMC spares itself the time required to set up highly directed fixed camera shots in all rooms, event music and other things they can cut with minimal damage because a player driven camera and emotion in aesthetic/animation does the job alone now.
Cutscenes are a lot more expensive to make now than they were in the past. For DMC it's comparable be ause DMC3 had some good action and direction. For RE2 it is night and day.
It's still expensive games, but the budget lies in other areas than it used to.
"budget title"
Seriously, this was actually said.
"Character models look awful"
The only thing missing is that there's a bit of lacking environmental diversity and level geometry, and the geometry is due to it running at 60fps.
What games are you playing, OP, that makes this game look "budget" and the character models "look awful"? Cuz I'd love to play them.
Seriously, this was actually said.
"Character models look awful"
The only thing missing is that there's a bit of lacking environmental diversity and level geometry, and the geometry is due to it running at 60fps.
What games are you playing, OP, that makes this game look "budget" and the character models "look awful"? Cuz I'd love to play them.
... terrible combat? Are you sure you played DMC5?
Also I'll take the linear levels of DMC5 over the atrocious platforming and needlessly backtracking design of DMC3's levels.
Also I'll take the linear levels of DMC5 over the atrocious platforming and needlessly backtracking design of DMC3's levels.
To me, DMC5 is an industry leading combat mechanic sandbox inside one of the dullest single player campaigns I've played in over a decade.
DMCV has way too much going on, too many play styles, makes it feel like you're playing it poorly, and the story is SO out there that it actually hurts the overall package. DMCV proves that you can go too over-the-top with your story and characters. Still a good game though.
Your must live a miserable existence if this is your true opinion and not just you trying to one-up Shadow the Hedgehog at being an edgelord.
Returning to the topic at hand, I can't help but wonder if all the folks here who are praising DMC3 as the second coming of Christ have actually played the game after V... Make no mistake, DMC3 is still amazing and it was a masterpiece at the time of release, but to say that it beats V when it comes to combat seems a bit of a hyperbole mixed in with some very rose-tinted glasses.
Heck, I'm not even sure that it outclasses 4... It will be interesting to see people's opinions when the Switch version comes out, I'm sure some out there had their first taste of DMC with V, how will they rank the older titles?
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DMC3 is better in some areas I think. RG feels more immediate to me, as well as cancelling. Vergil is more aggressive, there's good reasons to prefer it to 5 I think.
I platinumed it in 2018 and have picked it up since. Only thing that screws with me is no SS.
Nice! Haven't seen a good #humblebrag (RIP Harris) for quite a while!
I picked this up on Steam at crimbo and had a blast until I got to the V levels.
I can't quite describe what I found wrong with V but it kinda just feels 'disconnected' as it's not the main character attacking. I just felt like it removed me from the equation.
The thing with V is you completely lose things like basic attack cancelling and any real sense of control over your familiars. So linking up even the most basic combos is a lot of work and relies on the familiars behaving a certain way.
I think you could build a really excellent fighting system out of V, but DMC5 doesn't have it unfortunately. It's a mildly interesting diversion for one or two playthroughs and works in certain limited situations. But trying to be anyway creative with him is a pain. Anything cool that happens can almost feel like an accident.
I'd like to see a mod which maps something to the dpad to control familiars better. Teleporting to Nightmare can be an excellent way to dodge, if you could depend on Nightmare being at a certain position at a certain time.
I think you've just accurately summed up what I couldn't!
Diversion being the key word you've used, it just doesn't mesh with the the other playstyle.
I had to stop reading the OP. DMCV is the best character action game ever made. The combat is flawless, and Nero and Dante are equally great to control and to play, which is a first for me. I personally loved the environments, some were kinda meh (like inside the tree thing), but the combat was so fun and the story so interesting to me that it hooked me. Finished the game in a week, and still kept playing to get better at combat. V was aight.
The characters tend to look off, especially in motion. It took quite a while for the new twins to grow on me and I have still several gripes with their new design.
Their hair is too greyish instead of white, Dante's coat not a real red anymore. Vergil's new clothes are a huge downgrade, especially this abdomination of a vest.
I miss them having the same face.
It is awful how they sexualize the shit out of the women, even managed to put shower secenes in.
The story is dreadful.
The pacing is way off. The beginning is kinda chaotic, then no real progress for a while and rushed at the end.
It lacks iconic interactions with bosses. You don't have outstanding charactes like Agni & Rudra anymore, or that giant frog-thingy from DMC4 for example.
It is nice to see some things getting canoned and have a little cameo. But a lot of things stay unanswered, and 5 itself opens even a few more questions.
They try to build a mystery around Urizen's and V's identity, but is not really one and it only hurts the narrative more. It limits the interaction the characters can have with one another and prevents other interesting subjects.
I straight up hate what they did to Vergil. He got dirtied. I see it contradicting to DMC3. V doesn't work for me at all.
Dante drives me up a tree as well. He's hardly likeable in 5.
They were never really good in telling their story to begin with, so I did keep my expectation in check – but I wasn't prepared for this huge disappointment.
Devil Trigger is a banger.
Griffon is funny.
The unlockable ending scene is dope and very satisfying. And don't let me start about the moment when they smile at each other..!
Besides his very small role, I kinda like Morrison.
I want to pet Shadow!!
Their hair is too greyish instead of white, Dante's coat not a real red anymore. Vergil's new clothes are a huge downgrade, especially this abdomination of a vest.
I miss them having the same face.
It is awful how they sexualize the shit out of the women, even managed to put shower secenes in.
The story is dreadful.
The pacing is way off. The beginning is kinda chaotic, then no real progress for a while and rushed at the end.
It lacks iconic interactions with bosses. You don't have outstanding charactes like Agni & Rudra anymore, or that giant frog-thingy from DMC4 for example.
It is nice to see some things getting canoned and have a little cameo. But a lot of things stay unanswered, and 5 itself opens even a few more questions.
They try to build a mystery around Urizen's and V's identity, but is not really one and it only hurts the narrative more. It limits the interaction the characters can have with one another and prevents other interesting subjects.
I straight up hate what they did to Vergil. He got dirtied. I see it contradicting to DMC3. V doesn't work for me at all.
Dante drives me up a tree as well. He's hardly likeable in 5.
They were never really good in telling their story to begin with, so I did keep my expectation in check – but I wasn't prepared for this huge disappointment.
Devil Trigger is a banger.
Griffon is funny.
The unlockable ending scene is dope and very satisfying. And don't let me start about the moment when they smile at each other..!
Besides his very small role, I kinda like Morrison.
I want to pet Shadow!!
Yeah, the bosses have been super disappointing in terms of cutscenes from what I've played so far. The first boss (Goliath?) was probably the only one that I remember, but it was such a standard 'big enemy is dumb' trope.
I don't really see how someone could play DMC3 and go to DMCV and say the combat is worse.
Not everything's for everyone I guess. I firmly believe DMCV has the best combat of any Character Action game ever.
I'll give you the environments though, they were relatively bland.
Not everything's for everyone I guess. I firmly believe DMCV has the best combat of any Character Action game ever.
I'll give you the environments though, they were relatively bland.
What? Best combat in the series. Hell, i can confidently say its the best combat engine ever. Its pretty much better than 3 at everything except story and maybe boss fights.
Sure its got samey environments near the end, but atleast the level design isnt frustrating like some levels from 3 and 4.
Sure its got samey environments near the end, but atleast the level design isnt frustrating like some levels from 3 and 4.
Personally, I just think DMC3's combat feels better. The arenas aren't unnecessarily big like in 5 and the encounters are more engaging, so to say. DmC had some bigger arenas, but at least you could propel yourself towards enemies and vice-versa with ease, whereas in 5 it just feels like a chore to go after every enemy.
Amen to that. Poorly optimised in this regard.
Other than that, the game is a joy to play.
Tbh this is just about getting better at the game.
You can chain the ground trick move with Dante, or use SSSS teleport. Nero's max acted streak/calibur will cover massive distance.
it may very well be up there with DMC3 or better, but NGB is far far FAR better than both, and nothing really even comes close.
I also didn't really like the environments in DMC5.
DMC3 is the GOAT.
Not even close lol. DMC5 is good, but not DMC3 good.
DMC3 is the GOAT.
I disagree, V's entire moveset was based around range, so no real need to get up close.
Unlike in DMC3, Dante can switch styles at any moment, so you can easily switch to Trickster and get over there pretty quickly. Even quicker if you have it upgraded.
Nero has his arm that allows him to either pull enemies to him, of if they're bigger, pull himself towards them.
That said, I totally do understand preferring the tighter arenas of DMC3.
Looks like everyone else beat me to it, but yeah. The lack of environments is a valid enough complaint, but I don't know how on Earth you can say it feels "budget." The production values are through the roof, IMO. And the combat is just as good if not better than 3 and 4.
This is literally like the sixth or seventh thread where you've said 2019 sucked for games. We get it. Chill.
What they need to look at is Chaos Legion. Chaos Legion had the minion system where you either have them out, or pull them in to buff your player character. That way you could take on mobs of enemies at a time but also have cool combos and skills, as well as ultimate moves for them like watching Thanatos clear a room.
V came really close in terms of control but they really need a bit more than "teleport with your cane for finishing blow" for his movement. Even the concept of when minions are in he can run but when they're out he can only walk would make the risk reward of using the minions make sense and allow for more variety in the gameplay.
My only problem with the gameplay was, being a newcomer to the series, you switch characters way too frequently. Just as I started to get the hang of Nero or Dante, protags would swap and I never got this cohesive growth/confidence with the character I was playing that I would have had with another character action game. I'd come back to Nero and forget all his mechanics, come back to Dante and realize I haven't been style switching. I wish the game was built around one playable character, and maybe Dante + Nero could work if there wasn't also V thrown into the mix.
Also Trish and Lady are poorly handled, their inclusion was to literally throw bare ass in your face. Two badass demon huntresses relegated to being damsels :\
Also Trish and Lady are poorly handled, their inclusion was to literally throw bare ass in your face. Two badass demon huntresses relegated to being damsels :\
the bland environments can be blamed on itsuno wanting this to be DmC2.
Y'all remember the crazy time when crew cut was said to have a bigger role (ie be part of the team) and meant to be an easter egg?
I don't get this. They are his revenge for not being able to make a DmC2 instead?
Combat is perfection, graphics is unbelievable, but areas layouts is downright boring, just go straight and that's it, not to mention the repeated tree area.