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What happened to The Last Night by Odd Tales?
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Motherfucker if Lorn is the composer for this project, it's gonna have some good ass music.This is factually wrong. From their website:
Again, it's a tech I'd like to come to fruition in a game like this. It doesn't have to be this game, but I sure hope it doesn't end up being too far visually from this. The artistic choices of the game are impressive and I'd hate them to be gone forever.
Tim Soret hasn't changed as a person. Just check his Twitter account.
The game is still in development, if you had an issue with his stances before, you will still have an issue with his stances tomorrow. For me personally, there are enough talented creators out there where I can safely ignore this game.
The game is still in development, if you had an issue with his stances before, you will still have an issue with his stances tomorrow. For me personally, there are enough talented creators out there where I can safely ignore this game.
Edit: I've changed my mind on this after thinking about it for a bit.
Even if I disagree with his views, I still want to see the end product.
It could be an interesting what if scenario. What if the internet angry men were actually right about what's happening? What would that world look like?
At the end of the day it's fantasy. Anyone who plays it and takes it literally is the kind of moron who would believe Carlgon and his ilk at face value.
So there's nothing really lost making it and something to be gained. An interesting thought experiment.
Even if I disagree with his views, I still want to see the end product.
It could be an interesting what if scenario. What if the internet angry men were actually right about what's happening? What would that world look like?
At the end of the day it's fantasy. Anyone who plays it and takes it literally is the kind of moron who would believe Carlgon and his ilk at face value.
So there's nothing really lost making it and something to be gained. An interesting thought experiment.
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I think there are some interviews out there stating that the original inspiration with feminism winning and stuff like that don't represent the current form of the story. I'm interested in playing it and finding out if there are still bits themes of that in there, though.
I was blown away by the look in the initial trailer but obviously lost any interest in the project when the developer showed his ass. Thank u, next.
Why would I do that? I'm interested in the world someone would conceive of based on their views. I'm not interested in pretending to be a bigot there would be no value in that.
hum... because the Switch is currently the console for indies?! + The artstyle seems also appropriate for a Switch title and the hardware.
I mentioned this earlier, but I'll say it again:
1) Even if you're interested in this game's scenario as a "what if," Tim Soret being a GamerGater, thinking that feminism is not egalitarian, and the game's intrinsic anti-feminist theme will not allow this game to be a worthwhile exploration into "what if." They aren't not well-versed in what they're attempting to critique.
2) Creating media that portrays serious issues improperly will perpetuate flawed ideas (i.e. women being treated as human can and/or will lead to a dystopic society), and those ideas can and will hurt people (and already are in this in this instance). That's "what's being lost" here with a video game that helps spread GamerGate misogynistic beliefs. These ideas spread—it doesn't just affect "morons" like you say. People of all ages can be impressionable, and particularly kids. There is a risk to games like this releasing and able to be played without proper framing which the game itself surely will not provide.
Is it? You don't have a dystopian future if you don't adopt a dystopian worldview. Cyberpunk in reality would be horrifying.
And like clockwork, there you are, offended that someone has a different opinion/taste than you. I can consume media without believing in whatever it may be pushing. Assuming this is even pushing anything and isn't just telling a story. The game looked great and the premise is at least interesting. I wouldn't be friends with the guy but I'll try his game. Calm down.
The United States is already a cyberpunk dystopia, but the point they were making is that cyberpunk has historically been used as a critique of conservative values, whereas this game is all "this dystopia came about via socialism and feminism"
Some people are wary of giving a platform for GamerGaters and misogynists is all.
If you don't care, you don't also need to get defensive about it.
I agree with this and it especially depends on how the depiciton is handled. Obviously I would be against a Nazi propaganda game because the message it's trying to communicate is dangergous.
I'm just not willing to throw away the potential art of someone with reprehensible views based on them having those views to begin with. If the art exists to spread those views then that's another thing.
The premise and story for this game sounded dumb as fuck and Tim Soret seems like a crummy dude.
That being said, as far as I know, that's not why they've run into development issues.
edit: Soret tweet already posted on page 1. I guess re-thinking it, they may have lost funding because of the milkshake duck stuff. Who knows.
It's a shame because the atmosphere and visual style they're going for looks incredible. Would love for a more interesting game to be attached to it.
That being said, as far as I know, that's not why they've run into development issues.
edit: Soret tweet already posted on page 1. I guess re-thinking it, they may have lost funding because of the milkshake duck stuff. Who knows.
It's a shame because the atmosphere and visual style they're going for looks incredible. Would love for a more interesting game to be attached to it.
I'm always wary of anyone who expresses interest in hearing what an idiot has to say because it "may have merit".
Sure, I'll watch the Left Behind or Atlas Shrugged movies to laugh at them, but
Despite what Infowars says, Conservatism is not the new punk rock.
Sure, I'll watch the Left Behind or Atlas Shrugged movies to laugh at them, but
- Their only merit is "haha, what idiots actually believe this?", and
- I'm going to damn well make sure I'm not financially supporting the creators, or otherwise giving them the impression that I'm engaging with their content because I agree with it.
Despite what Infowars says, Conservatism is not the new punk rock.
This view right here is mine too, I may disagree with other peoples thoughts and values, but to disparage and/or ignore a fantastical setting is a form of censorship I'm not a believer of. I personally believe even "Shock" value games like Hated or Postal can still have some merit in games, much like films or books approach similar subjects
Its the real life counterpart that is the issue though, love and respect is what thw world should aim for
Is that what you really think cyberpunk is? It's dystopian, often in set in a post-collapse society. Living in the worlds of the Sprawl or Blade Runner would be hell. That's exactly where conservatism is taking us.
I kinda wanna play this game to see a dystopian future from the mind of a guy who is obviously cognizant of the cultural and economic malaise that permeates western liberal democracies, but still manages to completely miss the point.
there are "legal issues" they mentioned so it makes me wonder if MS quietly dropped them.
I mean, yes? I agree with you, conservatism is taking us there.
The trouble here is that game's creator is positing that progressive culture is taking us there.
The creator also seems to just be lazily slotting his view into a cyberpunk skin, without actually thinking about how A would lead to B, and how the world of B would look. It's just "it looks exactly like cyberpunk, but we got there because of SJWs instead of capitalism", and the outcome is somehow exactly the same.
I mean, I can see how it would actually be interesting to think up a future where women get sick of men's shit and make them second-class citizens. The trick is actually thinking how that would actually go, though, and how that world would look, and not just saying "oh, it'd look cyberpunk." Do women really like neon signs? Am I missing something?
There's also Cloudpunk and Neo Cab among upcoming games
And Whispers Of A Machine, which is cyberpunk/dystopian nordic noir
Last I heard the dev got the rights seized, most likely by the publisher after missing deadlines or missiing some level of progress in a given period of time. With all that's come about this guy I'm pretty glad the game isn't moving forward based on that theme. I do definitely hope more 8o's sci-fi/blade runner/cyberpunk mixed art medium projects are made though it's defintely a genre that warrants much more exploration.
almost reads as bitter sarcasm
this seems to be the consensus around here huh. im too selfish and want to play this game, i also know nothing about the dude and seems like staying ignorant is a good idea. i still like woody allen movies and michael jacksons music tho
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and thats your good right to do so. i dont ask anyone to do this and fully understand everything you just said. i was just eager to know what happened to the project, seeing his reactions, i've decided that i dont want to play this game. to each their own, right?
Maybe add the answers to your Initial question (status and history of the game) to the OP? That way people don't have to dig through the thread.
Nerds took all the anti-capitalist and anti-colonialism from cool sci-fi stuff and turned it into something that promoted those things but had the same aesthetic because they never actually dug into the messages of the media they consumed. They're incredibly smart tho!
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Brought to you by the same brain geniuses who take Liberty Prime at face value.
Alternatively: how about we don't hope that a game that spreads hateful views gets put out there. It definitely wouldn't be some "interesting thought experiment". We've already seen what happens when these views get spread around so much thanks to the shit algorithms of Youtube and the like, we've already seen that it actually affects people, we don't need more of that.
I think I read it either on Reddit or maybe twitter a couple of months back.
This looks to be scratching the surface of some legal issues/funding issues:
The Last Night in Legal trouble and out of money
I honestly didn't think I would even hear about the game again considering the kind of drama it was enveloped in, so I wasn't tuned into keeping that info on the lost rights.
That thread is such an eyeroll jesus. Calling google puritanical lmao
The game looks so good artistically but I just can't sit through a game with such obvious agendas as a plot basis for the entire game, and that's regardless if they match or do not match my personal ideaologies :/
You'll be supporting a bigot though...
Oof, that privilege. What might be an "interesting thought experiment" to you will likely help normalize far right talking points and contribute to the harm of others.
This. Strawman dystopia is, by general critical consensus, bad writing.
As far as I know, the main guy behind this is trash, so all I want is this game to be ignored and forgotten.
You know what? You're all right. I was letting my desire to leave art unrestrained but honestly that's a dishonest and lazy viewpoint as art can be used to harm others something we should not allow just for the sake of art. I thank you all for challenging my view on this because it did cause me to reflect more on this topic. Which is important.
I am really glad that you've come to realise this. Thanks for taking the time to reflect on the matter, I really respect that!