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petran79

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Recently I was playing an adult visual novel video game and I read the disclaimer that all depicted characters within the game were 18 years or older. This in an 18+ rated video game. Game was officially translated to English btw and can be purchased legally. This surprised me really because in todays climate this is usually something more popular adult video games should have adopted instead of some niche adult games. English publishers had to add this extra info to avoid legal issues obviously. But more video games could follow this guide. Both East and West. Eg one never knows the real age of the prostitutes in GTA. In the initial logo they just claim all characters to be fictional. There is no official statement that they are not underage, something that usually happens in real life situations from which the game takes inspiration from. Other violent games are very vague too.

Usually in movies they tackle it differently. Eg I remember watching Pasolini's Salo some years ago, one of the most gruesome movies ever. Plot is about the kidnapping and torture of some teens by Italian Fascists, during the last days of the regime. There all the actors were adults taking the roles of teens. Though in movies other things could happen like real animal torture or actors faking their age.

In video games where voice actors at least are adults, is it plausible to apply regulations of the movie industry in video game character ages? Does it happen mostly for reassurance? Because in fiction and art possibilities are endless that make any regulation look ridiculous. Eg character could be a blob alien creature or a wood carving.

Of course that does not nullify any criticism about misrepresentation and sexism in video games, but I wonder whether the edifice such discussions take place should be re-evaluated.
 

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Nukige/eroge (porn games for you gaijins) need that disclaimer because there are characters who can in good faith be seen as 10 years old having sex.

It's more about the culture around Japan's sexualization of the high school age. They need it to specify that they don't mean the game to be interpreted as CP.

Western games don't sexualize high schoolers to the same degree, so they haven't needed it.
 

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Zacmortar

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This is one of the things I really liked about Pokemon actually, where the further the series went on the characters started looking much older to the point where in gen 6 I assumed that they were 16 at least(based on art not chibi models)

But then Sun/Moon ruined that by reverting it back to calling them 11 year olds.

If they're 11, what the fuck is a youngster

(although this is more of a general ambiguity thing than anything related to more mature/adult games clearly)
 

Shingi_70

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This is one of the things I really liked about Pokemon actually, where the further the series went on the characters started looking much older to the point where in gen 6 I assumed that they were 16 at least(based on art not chibi models)

But then Sun/Moon ruined that by reverting it back to calling them 11 year olds.

If they're 11, what the fuck is a youngster

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Shingi_70

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But there's already preschoolers for that age range that look significantly younger than modern youngsters do. It's been weird to me since around gen 3.


Your right, I never really thought about it. Maybe Youngsters are just delinquents who'd rather fish and hang out with rattataa than go to school
 

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This is one of the things I really liked about Pokemon actually, where the further the series went on the characters started looking much older to the point where in gen 6 I assumed that they were 16 at least(based on art not chibi models)

But then Sun/Moon ruined that by reverting it back to calling them 11 year olds.

If they're 11, what the fuck is a youngster

(although this is more of a general ambiguity thing than anything related to more mature/adult games clearly)
Hmm I've always assumed the Pokemon protags are like 10-11. In Pokemon if they hit their teens I'd imagine they'd depict them as a grizzled veteran who looks like they have seen the shit.
 
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I've had an issue with a lot of Japanese media taking place in high school while still including a lot of fan service even when localized.
A simple change from high school students to first year college students would make it less creepy for all involved.

Really hoping Persona 6 takes that approach since it fits their fish out of water scenario pretty well.
I don't feel comfortable with a game that has high school students dating teacher and other adults
 

Zacmortar

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They look pretty be obviously around 8, which is quite different from an 11 year old.
Not as much as the newer games paint it. Hau looks a good half decade older than any of the youngsters to me. And that's not even considering Gen 6 where the Protags were made to look way older than previous gens, but so did youngsters, so it looked like Preschoolers were 4-6, Youngsters were 10-12, and Protags were 15-16 to me.

Hmm I've always assumed the Pokemon protags are like 10-11. In Pokemon if they hit their teens I'd imagine they'd depict them as a grizzled veteran who looks like they have seen the shit.
Since Sun/Moon made the protags 11 I refuse to believe teens exist in any way in the Pokemon universe. After the games the protagonists evolve into the next stage of their life.
 

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This is one of the things I really liked about Pokemon actually, where the further the series went on the characters started looking much older to the point where in gen 6 I assumed that they were 16 at least(based on art not chibi models)

But then Sun/Moon ruined that by reverting it back to calling them 11 year olds.

If they're 11, what the fuck is a youngster

(although this is more of a general ambiguity thing than anything related to more mature/adult games clearly)
Black White (2) protagonists look older than me and I'm 17.
 

Zacmortar

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Ya know... that's kinda sad that you would live in a Pokémon world yet your first time to own one is at the age of 15...
You can have any as pets/friends no matter your age, its the journey/gyms/trials that are for older kids only.

In black and white, they are officially 15.
Yeah, and this is what made me originally think Gen 6's were 15/16 too. I hate that they aged it backwards again.

I wanna replay gen 5.

You're in pre-school at 4. You should be in Kindergarten at 5 and finish it at 6.
Physically there isnt a significant growth spurt at that age to make such a drastic difference in appearance usually.
 

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I have no idea what to do about this, maybe it depends on a case by case basis?
Does animation have any sort of regulations?
 

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I could be wrong but the prostitutes in GTA all look to be clearly adults. I'm not sure why it needs to explicitly clarified what age they are, unless their design might suggest they are underage.
 
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Adult actors play teen characters because there's a limit to how much time an underage actor can spend on set. They have to have part-time hours.

As for your question, we need it in every piece of media possible. Especially Japanese stuff. Some of the stuff that they depict high school girls doing is beyond questionable, it's actually upsetting. I'd be a lot happier with stuff like Person 5 if the characters were all adults, which is of course not really possible with the characters being in the second year of high school but it's already a fictional story, may as well bend the rules to make things slightly more acceptable (which is why I've been saying we at least need college students in 6). Playing Fire Emblem had me feeling like a creep too, that's one game that would benefit from something like this.
 

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If you ever find yourself in a place where answering this question is important, the right answer is to back away slowly and then never talk about it.
 

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It depends on the design of the character in the end more than their "age", which is an arbitrary number assigned to a drawing. You can have a character who looks clearly pre-pubescent, then make the excuse that she's like a thousand years old, and use that as your out to sexualize her (this is what they did with Nowi in Fire Emblem Awakening, for example). On the other hand, you can have characters who are very clearly designed to look like young adults- Zelda, Kurisu, Makoto, Ann, and so on- at which point the age assignment gets trickier, because unlike with the infamous real life "I swear she looked 18", there is no "she" here, it's a cartoon, a drawing, of, by all accounts a young adult woman (albeit Kurisu and Makoto are both officially 18 in their respective games/animes, for what that's worth, so they're at least a less tangled knot to handle). The issue is only compounded because of how dramatically the age of consent varies around the world- within North America alone, I believe Canada has an age of consent of 16 (might even be lower in some provinces, but this is not a line of inquiry I've ever bothered pursuing). In that case, what is the standard for uncomfortable sexualization we are applying?

I'm just spitballing here. The point I'm getting at is that there is no clear cut hard and fast rule to apply in these situations. Anyone on either side of the fence who wants to engage with the problem must do so on a case by case basis.
 
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Nukige/eroge (porn games for you gaijins) need that disclaimer because there are characters who can in good faith be seen as 10 years old having sex.

It's more about the culture around Japan's sexualization of the high school age. They need it to specify that they don't mean the game to be interpreted as CP.

Western games don't sexualize high schoolers to the same degree, so they haven't needed it.

There are western ero games too quite in abundance. Patreon especially is brimmed with those. Most use Ren'py and RPG Maker
 
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I am afraid if I were to make like my old posts, and attempt to justify, let's say adult characters with 'diverse' body types like being flat chested, I'm afraid I'd get banned again. Maybe permanently this time.
 

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Ya know... that's kinda sad that you would live in a Pokémon world yet your first time to own one is at the age of 15...

Considering how many games there's been the inuniverse community probably expects you to become one of the great pokemon trainers because you don't get any till later.
 

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This seems like it has a high potential to go badly so it's probably better not to go at all.
 
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