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What was the lifetime sales of the PS2? Not 158m [Update: Between 159.2m and 161.9m]
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yeah it makes it hard to figure out. i just used the numbers here that gives 20 million for vita, which is probably nowhere near reality.
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No vecause that's DS final LTD.
However DS outsold PS2 in major markets:
I did a quick check on the sell-through data (NPD, GFK, Famitsu) I have for the major markets and the difference between PS2 LTD and DS LTD amount to roughly 26.9 million units in favor for DS.
DS LTD - PS2 LTD (data may be incomplete especially for DS)
Germany: 1.6M
France: 5.0M
UK: 2.3M
US: 6.4M
JP: 11.6M
DS total sell-through in those 5 markets is around 115 million units (again with incomplete data).
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My goodness...just let it go.
It is nearly 2 decades ago, some of us can't even remember our kids birthday or SSN, but my goodness, some of yall still remember and would do research on sale number about an object sale number like it is the holy commandment once per month/year/per sale topic/thread at any given time when these type of discussion pops up.
Do you guys just bookmarked websites throughout the 2x decades to be ready to provide ammo or something?
It is nearly 2 decades ago, some of us can't even remember our kids birthday or SSN, but my goodness, some of yall still remember and would do research on sale number about an object sale number like it is the holy commandment once per month/year/per sale topic/thread at any given time when these type of discussion pops up.
Do you guys just bookmarked websites throughout the 2x decades to be ready to provide ammo or something?
PS2 kept selling for years and years in less developed markets (DS was never big in those), because PS3 and its games were way too expensive, and super cheap pirated copies of PS2 games was readily available everywhere or it was easy to download them yourself (in a lot of those markets piracy is huge). that really helped get PS2 to the number it is currently.
it doesn't need any chance, it's a certainty. it only needs 20 more millions to pass those, worst case scenario it passes them in 2020.
Why are you doing console war drive-by ? This thread is about trying to pinpoint hardware numbers of a very popular console.
You're not being forced to discuss this tho. The gaming media has a terrible problem with reporting numbers (lots of famous sites reported the Sonic 800M units sold bollocks without even double checking the stupidity they were publishing), so it's worth bringing stuff like this to attention.
why come in a thread when you're not interested in sales numbers just to complain? just read the thread title and move on maybe?
it's a good subject imo, because while some people are saying this isn't important and who cares, wrong numbers get thrown around often (not talking just about PS2 here) and that spreads misinformation.
It's fairly simple.
PS2 Production Shipments were 117.9 million as of March 2007.
At this point Sony switched from reporting production shipments to hardware sell in.
Hardware sell in at this point was 115.6 million. So you can see there is a slight difference between Production Shipments vs Hardware sell in due to difference in reporting methods.
PS2 sold a further 39.5 million units through to March 2012 which takes the sell in total to 155.1 million.
In the fiscal year ending March 2013 a total of 16.5 million PS3&PS2 units were shipped. PS2 was still being shipped during this period so the info we're missing is how many units were PS2 and how many were PS3. Using PS3's 80m sell in announcements as a guide you can work backwards and ultimately work out that PS2 must have been close to 4m.
So whilst we don't know the 'official' number. We do know it was 155.1m as of March 2012 and there was another few million shipped shipped during the 9 months after that.
PS2 Production Shipments were 117.9 million as of March 2007.
At this point Sony switched from reporting production shipments to hardware sell in.
Hardware sell in at this point was 115.6 million. So you can see there is a slight difference between Production Shipments vs Hardware sell in due to difference in reporting methods.
PS2 sold a further 39.5 million units through to March 2012 which takes the sell in total to 155.1 million.
In the fiscal year ending March 2013 a total of 16.5 million PS3&PS2 units were shipped. PS2 was still being shipped during this period so the info we're missing is how many units were PS2 and how many were PS3. Using PS3's 80m sell in announcements as a guide you can work backwards and ultimately work out that PS2 must have been close to 4m.
So whilst we don't know the 'official' number. We do know it was 155.1m as of March 2012 and there was another few million shipped shipped during the 9 months after that.
Of course, but using that 525,3 million figure there is a fun guessing game to do. Using the numbers below for reference it looks there are still around 15 million of units missing to reach the good amount.
What system could possibly be the most underestimated here ? My guess is PS2 is closer to 160M and PS3 closer to 85M. Also wasn't the PSP supposed to have sold at least 80M or it was just a popular guess ?
PlayStation : 102.49 million
PlayStation 2 : 155.1 million
PlayStation Portable : 76.3 million
PlayStation 3 : 80.4 million
PlayStation Vita : 15 million [estimation]
PlayStation 4 : 81.2 million
That's helpful
Not sure why people were getting upset about it
It'd be nice to know exactly but it doesn't exactly harm anything or affect anything especially 5 years since last production
For reference, the reason why 158 million is quoted a lot is because people just added production shipment number of 103.7 million to the 54.2 million units sold in after that date.
You get 157.9 million which is incorrect because you can't combine two different numbers with different reporting methods.
But what's funny is the total is probably around that number anyway when you work out the total sell in numbers.
You get 157.9 million which is incorrect because you can't combine two different numbers with different reporting methods.
But what's funny is the total is probably around that number anyway when you work out the total sell in numbers.
PS2 being a few millions higher than 155 would also explain how, using the 525 million number, vita's number can be approximated to 20 which is likely a few millions higher than reality.
Yeah if we're counting that as sold through, then absolutely that number should be known. Only reason I can think they wouldn't make it public is because nobody bothered to collate the data, I mean it's not a trivial amount of effort and what's in it for them? By the time the number was leveling out we must have been well into the PS3 generation and I doubt shareholders gave a shit by that point.
Just for fun here is one of the many possible scenario to reach 525,3 million. Those are total personal guess-fiction :
PlayStation : 102.5 million
PlayStation 2 : 159 million
PlayStation Portable : 80.4 million
PlayStation 3 : 86.2 million
PlayStation Vita : 16 million
PlayStation 4 : 81.2 million
I don't think we can give more than 16M to the PS Vita. Hell we are not even sure it's really above the Wii U. The PSP is definitly above 80M. PS3 is not easy to guess, it reached the 80M milestone on november 2013 and we know how it plunged quickly as soon as the PS4 were on the market, the very same month, not to mention its price remained quite high.
PlayStation : 102.5 million
PlayStation 2 : 159 million
PlayStation Portable : 80.4 million
PlayStation 3 : 86.2 million
PlayStation Vita : 16 million
PlayStation 4 : 81.2 million
I don't think we can give more than 16M to the PS Vita. Hell we are not even sure it's really above the Wii U. The PSP is definitly above 80M. PS3 is not easy to guess, it reached the 80M milestone on november 2013 and we know how it plunged quickly as soon as the PS4 were on the market, the very same month, not to mention its price remained quite high.
true. by even the safest estimations it's above that number. but something to take into account is that wii u was on the market for 50 months, while vita has been available for 82 months and counting (new units are still being shipped in japan).
Crank down the Vita of like 5 million and I think you have a pretty realistic view at the situation.
Why not, but if you retire 5 million from the PS Vita you have to distribute as much to other systems between PS2, PSP and PS3.
I wonder if ANY console wll come close to those 2 giants. I don't see the PS4 reaching 120 million. Maybe the Switch will reach 100 million ( too early to say ).
But the PS4 will reach ~100 million around next summer, so before fall 2020 it might reach 120 Mil if sales are roughly constant. From there on it can sell large numbers depending on its price and support. Maybe not 150 million but it could get very close and it'll definitely become the second best selling Sony console.
The actual number of PS2s sold is probably on the back of a random cardboard box in metal gear solid 5.
He was self admittedly trolling in the RE games to Switch thread just now.. he's been given the equivalent of a sit on the step and a juice box, I think
11m for Vita? No, lol, I'm willing to put money on the fact it's significantly more than that.
A long, long while ago I put together all the known/leaked numbers we had for Vita (link here)
Which puts it at 9.9m, since then you can add 190k (missing JP 2017 sales) + 160k (missing JP 2018 sales) which puts it at about 10.3m.
But as you can see there are large gaps in the data and some markets that don't have any data at all. Unless you're saying 700k covers everything that's missing in that table, then it's going to be notably higher than 11m (although obviously I can't give you an exact figure).
Actual shipments of the PS2 are 158.6 million minimum, and 161 million maximum.
I made that calculation over 2 years ago, so right now i don't remember the excat numbers i used to, let's see if i remember correctly...
For a year Sony started to give only Playstation family shipments, which mean for a Fiscal year we only had PS2+PS3 shipments. That's why we also don't really know the sales of the PS3, BUT we know PS3 surpassed the 80 million milestone back in November 2013. That was enought to have a range for PS2 numbers...
Anyway, i just round PS2 numbers to 160 million. If i have more time later, i'll try to expain better this range.
I made that calculation over 2 years ago, so right now i don't remember the excat numbers i used to, let's see if i remember correctly...
For a year Sony started to give only Playstation family shipments, which mean for a Fiscal year we only had PS2+PS3 shipments. That's why we also don't really know the sales of the PS3, BUT we know PS3 surpassed the 80 million milestone back in November 2013. That was enought to have a range for PS2 numbers...
Anyway, i just round PS2 numbers to 160 million. If i have more time later, i'll try to expain better this range.
Exactly. However it's more likely PS2 sales are or have exceeded 158 million after reading some of the well-written posts in this thread.
Funny you are mentioning this. I actually did the same 1 year ago and guessed that the PS2 should be over 160 million by now :)
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That's a better estimate than what the Wikipedia entry had with how it determined 158.0 million (157.68 million).
I think PS4 will top 120 million handily. It should hit 100m by mid next year, so it just needs to shift 20 million in the time before PS5 launches and in the "budget for console option" transition period Sony consoles typically experience. I think they'll do it, and reasonably exceed it if PS5 has BC and they can get the PS4 price low enough.
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FY2012 is here
PS3 70 million sell-in on November 4th 2012
PS3 80 million sell-in on November 2nd 2013
The maximum range I get is 6.8 million which means the highest units for PS2 is 161.9 million
FY2012 is here
PS3 70 million sell-in on November 4th 2012
PS3 80 million sell-in on November 2nd 2013
The maximum range I get is 6.8 million which means the highest units for PS2 is 161.9 million
Yes yuo are right, 161,9 million is indeed the maximum! Now that i think more about it, that was also the number i got back in the days, but like i said it's been 2 years ago (more actually, like 2 years and half), i just didn't remember correctly.
For the 158.6 million as minimum... i think i got those numbers because 3.3 million is the numbers shipped for PS3 after it reach 80 million? But 151.1m + 3.3m is 158.4m, not 158.6m...
Man i wish i saved in some excel file the calculation i made. :-/
But anyway, we can be sure that the range is somehow between 158,4 to 161,9 million, so we have at least a good range.
The minimum would be 4.1m in FY12 and the maximum would be 6.8m.
PS2 is likely up YoY in FY12 as it is not mentioned as being down, like it is in prior reports. So with that in mind, and to align with PS3 hitting 80m in November we can say PS2 LTD is a minimum of 159.2m and a maximum of 161.9m. Most likely being closer to the former number.
PS2 is likely up YoY in FY12 as it is not mentioned as being down, like it is in prior reports. So with that in mind, and to align with PS3 hitting 80m in November we can say PS2 LTD is a minimum of 159.2m and a maximum of 161.9m. Most likely being closer to the former number.
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I've been informed that the numbers used in Wikipedia for that last row of numbers actually came from VGChartz and there was no citation mentioning vgchartz.
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