What's the best entry-level luxury car?

Clay

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I'm not completely sure I need a car yet, but there's a possibility I'll be starting a new job in the next few months that I won't be able to reach by public transportation. I've been looking around at cars and would like to get something halfway decent (my last car was an Elantra), but I'd only be using it to commute so I just need something quiet and comfortable, preferably with decent gas mileage. I don't really care how fast it can accelerate and break, which kind of engine it has, and stuff like that.

I'm guessing the choice between comparably equipped Mercedes, Audis, BMWs mostly boils down the aesthetics and personal preference, that you can't really screw up too much picking one model over another. But I know almost nothing about cars so I figured I'd ask. My budget is about $35k, and I'd like to get something relatively new (like a 2015 model or newer) and with low mileage (30k or less would be great). Not looking for links to specific cars at dealerships or anything, but if there's any models that were better or worse in certain years or that are less reliable that'd be good to know.

I test-drove a few cars last weekend and really liked Audi's cars. The A6 is really nice, I drove a 2016 with the Premium trim. Mercedes is nice and this a small petty thing but I think the X shaped grills on the AC vents looks really stupid, and their entertainment system screens look dorky as well, like someone pasted on iPad onto the dashboard. I really like how Audi's screen folds in out of site when the car is off.

Is there anything else I should consider? Basically I'd be looking at Audi A series, Mercedes C or E class, and whatever the comparable BMW is. Appreciate other suggestions as well but the last time I looked at cars I wasn't impressed by the Acura/ Lincoln/ Lexus tier brands, I ended up with the Elantra because it seemed a much better value.
 

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Whats your budget and where do you live.

Entry luxury cars are just soup up econo boxes.

edit: oh 35k, you can do better than entry level. Do you have problem with Asian brands?
 

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For me personally I love the interior of Audis but don’t like their driving feel. I’m meh on the interior of BMWs but live their driving feel.

Have only driven an A3 sport back but found the steering lacked feel, and the s-line had rock hard suspension which was uncomfortable. BMW sterling just feels right and I usually go for m-sport and the suspension is balanced nicely for my tastes. Even the lower end engines feel plenty powerful for day to day driving either in town or on longer motorway drives. Have always had 6-cylinder in the past but currently driving a 4-cheaper 320i for better economy and it’s fine

Don’t have experience of merc so can't comment
 

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I dunno about new mercedes, but we got a used one for like $10k, and ended up spending at least that much trying to repair it. While a brand new one probably wouldn't have the same problems, I'm not sure I could really recommend them for someone on something of a budget
 
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Clay

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Whats your budget and where do you live.

Entry luxury cars are just soup up econo boxes.

edit: oh 35k, you can do better than entry level. Do you have problem with Asian brands?
No problem with Asian cars, but I thought German cars were more highly regarded at higher price points.
 

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You don't really need a car that much, but if you do need one you need a luxury car?

If you won't be using it much, why not get a small cheap thing? Are you American, and thus that would not be acceptable?

"I just need something quiet and comfortable, preferably with decent gas mileage", but wants to spend $35K. I'm not a car guy, so maybe I just don't get it.
 
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You don't really need a car that much, but if you do need one you need a luxury car?

If you won't be using it much, why not get a small cheap thing? Are you American, and thus that would not be acceptable?
Just want something nicer. Is there usually a correlation between people who own nicer cars and longer commutes? I don’t need an AMG or M-series or anything like that, but something with a nicer, more comfortable interior that’s quieter on the freeway would be nice.

That sure what you mean by not needing a car “that much,” if I take the job I’ll absolutely need a car.
 

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You really can't go wrong the Lexus LS. Very reliable cars.



You probably can find a 2014-2015 model LS460 around your budget.
 

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Look at a Mazda 6. Huge value for the money and can hold it's own against all those. Too add, it's more fun to drive and throw around than any of those.
 

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I don't know your family size and where you live so I can't really give a good recommendation. But if I plan to buy a car w 35k I would get a lowest trim 2 convertible. Or a used 1 series convertible.
 

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Is Infiniti not in consideration?

My only experience is an MX35 many years ago but that car was a luxury tank that survived a brutal accident, was reliable, comfortable, ferried around a large family and (this may not matter to you) got compliments everywhere it went.
 
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I don't know your family size and where you live so I can't really give a good recommendation. But if I plan to buy a car w 35k I would get a lowest trim 2 convertible. Or a used 1 series convertible.
Bay Area, and it'll just be me using the car. I guess we might use it for the occasional weekend trip, and I'm sure I'll use it occasionally to run errands, but my wife already has a small SUV.
 

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I'm totally biased since I work at Volvo, but the XC40 and XC60 are both simply amazing cars in the premium segment. XC40 recently won European car of the year award and XC60 recently won World car of the year award. I think that fact speaks for itself.
 

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Look at a Mazda 6. Huge value for the money and can hold it's own against all those. Too add, it's more fun to drive and throw around than any of those.
Good car, but mazda always has lots of wind noise compared to similar german cars so if that's a factor for OP I wouldn't recommend it.

#OP: If you're always driving alone I'd just get a 2 door car like the bmw 4 series or audi A5, they're much nicer to look at than the 4 door models IMO.
 

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No problem with Asian cars, but I thought German cars were more highly regarded at higher price points.
Lexus is comparable IMO and is cheaper to maintain being a brand of Toyota. The exterior isn't as nice though as a BMW 3 series, Audi A4 and Mercedes C class (E class seems a bit out of your budget if you want a newer model.)

All three of them drive differently and have different options, so I'd just take a test drive and see which one you like most. I wouldn't get a 2 door if you have kids or plan to have kids though. Convertible, depends on the local weather.
 

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I dunno about new mercedes, but we got a used one for like $10k, and ended up spending at least that much trying to repair it. While a brand new one probably wouldn't have the same problems, I'm not sure I could really recommend them for someone on something of a budget
How old was it? I bought a 2002 Mercedes in 2015 with 50k miles for $10k and it hasn’t needed any work.
 

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Just want something nicer. Is there usually a correlation between people who own nicer cars and longer commutes? I don’t need an AMG or M-series or anything like that, but something with a nicer, more comfortable interior that’s quieter on the freeway would be nice.

That sure what you mean by not needing a car “that much,” if I take the job I’ll absolutely need a car.
Ok, but you don't need luxury to be comfortable.
 

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I'm totally biased since I work at Volvo, but the XC40 and XC60 are both simply amazing cars in the premium segment. XC40 recently won European car of the year award and XC60 recently won World car of the year award. I think that fact speaks for itself.
I’ve got a 2015 rdesign XC60 it’s a beautiful car. The finish is superb and the components of high quality. I’ve also got a nice BMW 1-Series. The bm is nicer to drive but the Volvo is better in every other way
 

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You've got some options for sure. If your ultimate criteria is comfort, quietness, etc, you can probably ignore the Japanese brands at that price point. For any of these cars make sure you get something in warranty, just for ease of mind. Youll find options for used low mileage for sure. These cars depreciate a lot so that's gives you room on the used market.

If you don't care about perf prob go Mercedes. BMWs just feel so good to drive imo. I love mine. Can't wait some day to get another, hopefully an M3.
 
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I’ve got a 2015 rdesign XC60 it’s a beautiful car. The finish is superb and the components of high quality. I’ve also got a nice BMW 1-Series. The bm is nicer to drive but the Volvo is better in every other way
The xc90 was redesigned for last year and the xc60 for this year. This may not matter to OP. The xc40 came out for 2019 but I think this may be just outside OP price range.
 

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XC40 is below 40k from what i know. And I think its great (not affiliated with volvo)
 

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Audi A/S4’s are pretty legit.

If you’re into the car scene, you can get nice gains with a tuning and some work done.
 

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Do you have any suggestions? Or what's your point?
I'm not the person you were responding to, but cars like the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord are comfortable, quiet, and reasonably efficient without being considered luxury cars. Because of the much cheaper starting price, you could get a newer and basically loaded version of either. Between that and the German brands in price would be brands like Buick and Volvo. The S60 probably being the best choice at that level.

Personally, I went with the Cadillac ATS, which competes directly with the 3-series, in part because I was able to get a good discount on it. If you get one of those, get a 2016 or later. The infotainment system's performance was improved and Apple CarPlay and Android Auto support were added that year.
 

Roy

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I'm not completely sure I need a car yet, but there's a possibility I'll be starting a new job in the next few months that I won't be able to reach by public transportation. I've been looking around at cars and would like to get something halfway decent (my last car was an Elantra), but I'd only be using it to commute so I just need something quiet and comfortable, preferably with decent gas mileage. I don't really care how fast it can accelerate and break, which kind of engine it has, and stuff like that.

I'm guessing the choice between comparably equipped Mercedes, Audis, BMWs mostly boils down the aesthetics and personal preference, that you can't really screw up too much picking one model over another. But I know almost nothing about cars so I figured I'd ask. My budget is about $35k, and I'd like to get something relatively new (like a 2015 model or newer) and with low mileage (30k or less would be great). Not looking for links to specific cars at dealerships or anything, but if there's any models that were better or worse in certain years or that are less reliable that'd be good to know.

I test-drove a few cars last weekend and really liked Audi's cars. The A6 is really nice, I drove a 2016 with the Premium trim. Mercedes is nice and this a small petty thing but I think the X shaped grills on the AC vents looks really stupid, and their entertainment system screens look dorky as well, like someone pasted on iPad onto the dashboard. I really like how Audi's screen folds in out of site when the car is off.

Is there anything else I should consider? Basically I'd be looking at Audi A series, Mercedes C or E class, and whatever the comparable BMW is. Appreciate other suggestions as well but the last time I looked at cars I wasn't impressed by the Acura/ Lincoln/ Lexus tier brands, I ended up with the Elantra because it seemed a much better value.
Mercedes is the least reliable luxury car while Lexus is the most by a wide margin. It’s not even close. So if upkeep costs concern you, remember that luxury cars costs much more to maintain.
 

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We have a 2017 XC90 for the family. We love it. I'd look at a XC or S series from Volvo. Just make sure it's a model that's had a revision in the past couple of years.

The luxury level of the new volvo's comfortably match or surpass their German rivals. We looked very hard at a Q7 and a Mercedes and it wasn't much of a contest as we thought it would be.
 

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Just buy a used A5/6, BMW 5 or 6 series or a Merc E-class. Can't do much wrong with all of those. Used to drive BMWs all the time until my fourth child was born. But if I had to buy one today, I'm pretty sure it would either be a Jag or a Volvo SUV.
 

ascii42

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Oh, and to help you out. Here's each brand's competitors for each size (compact, mid-size, full size)
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BMW          Mercedes      Audi    Lexus      Cadillac    Jaguar
3 series     C-Class        A4      IS          ATS         XE
5 series     E-Class        A6      GS          CTS         XF
7 series     S-Class        A8      LS          CT6         XJ
Outside of these, Lexus has the ES and Cadillac has the XTS. Both are large, front-wheel drive cars with a focus on comfort rather than driving experience.

I would look for certified pre-owned vehicles. The details of what it means to be certified pre-owned vary by manufacturer, but they generally undergo a full inspection and have an extended warranty.
 
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You really can't go wrong the Lexus LS. Very reliable cars.



You probably can find a 2014-2015 model LS460 around your budget.
Words right out of mouth. Lexus cars are amongst the most reliable and easy to repair, and they hold up forever because of the Toyota backing.

also lol at everyone in this thread suggesting BMW or Mercedes - OP would spend more maintaining it than on the base price of the car.
 

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Entry level luxury sedans:

All are perfectly acceptable cars.

Jaguar XE
Acura TLX
Volvo S60
Infinity Q50
Lexus IS
Cadillac ATS
Benz C class
BMW 3 series
Audi A4


Or pony up a few grand more and get the far and away best in that segment, an Alfa Giulia.
 

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I don't really know a whole lot about luxury cars, but I DO know that a Mercedes will kill you in maintenance costs.

I agree with the people saying that a Lexus is one of the more reliable luxury cars you can get. It's basically a really nice Toyota, which are typically super-reliable. My grandmother has been driving the same Lexus for like 15 years (I forget what model), and it's rarely needed anything more than the routine stuff (tires, brakes, shocks, etc).
 

ascii42

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I don't really know a whole lot about luxury cars, but I DO know that a Mercedes will kill you in maintenance costs.

I agree with the people saying that a Lexus is one of the more reliable luxury cars you can get. It's basically a really nice Toyota, which are typically super-reliable. My grandmother has been driving the same Lexus for like 15 years (I forget what model), and it's rarely needed anything more than the routine stuff (tires, brakes, shocks, etc).
In particular, the Lexus ES was originally a nicer Camry. The current generation is basically a nicer Avalon.
 

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Been looking into the Jaguar XE, Lexus IS, and Alfa Romeo Giulia; the IS is the most boring of the bunch and probably due for a redesign soon. The XE and Giulia are both gorgeous cars with the nod going to the Alfa. Can't talk both about reliability tho, especially with the Alfa.
 

Thornton Reed

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We have a 2017 XC90 for the family. We love it. I'd look at a XC or S series from Volvo. Just make sure it's a model that's had a revision in the past couple of years.

The luxury level of the new volvo's comfortably match or surpass their German rivals. We looked very hard at a Q7 and a Mercedes and it wasn't much of a contest as we thought it would be.
The new XC90 is such a beautiful looking car. Man Volvo are killing it at the moment. The Germans need to be looking over their shoulders I’m telling you. The new XC90 is the most striking looking SUV on the market.
 

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Have you tried the 2018 Honda Accord 2.0t Touring? It's in that price range and has features that you will have to pay extra for in the luxury car market.
 

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“Entry Level” is stuff like Buick at the least and then things like VW Arteon, Lexus, Audi A3, MB CLA, and Alfa Giulia.


You should look at the 2015 refreshed MB C300. Best look’ing car on the market. Fantastic interior. Just enough power in an engine that has been surprisingly issue free.

The 2016 Audi A4 refresh is super nice as well.

I wouldn’t bother with either the E class or A6 as the former was just updated and the later has yet to get one.

If all you’re doing is commuting then look to lease.
 

nekkid

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How much does the drive matter to you, OP? Because BMW drives better than pretty much any other brand for the same budget.
 

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I don't recommend that anyone with a limited budget gets a used German car - maintenance is very expensive. Get yourself a new Japanese car and be happy.

That said, BMWs are incredibly fun.