Whats with all of the negativity lately?
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Off-Topic Community threads are pretty good.
But the overarching theme seems to be:
But the overarching theme seems to be:
- Holiday stress
- Politics/world news anxiety
- Picking fights over semantics
I don't want an echo chamber but you always have people arguing or posting in bad faith then when you want them to back-up their argument they sealion you (look it up).
You're right though, I need to start using the report button though because that shit is annoying as hell and I don't have time to look up the facts that someone can just Google themselves.
Yep, besides there's really nothing positive about gaming at the moment, so many companies are being total assholes. Just look at Bethesda, Blizzard and EA.
I am not going to be positive just for the sake of it, bad business practice can fuck right off.
I'll go ahead and say it.
There's this bubbling feud between Xbox and Playstation that seeps into every thread about either platform.
There's this bubbling feud between Xbox and Playstation that seeps into every thread about either platform.
She'll regret not wearing anything on her feet in all that rubble.
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There could well be a chance that half of your reports aren't necessarily worthy of action.
I would say the early internet days were even worse – https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.video.nintendo/WfJ7jtKZb60/u-JWWrmTNzcJ :)
edit: LONG live SONIC and all his friends!
edit: LONG live SONIC and all his friends!
It could be it could not be. Depends on how the mods handle them
That’s definitely part of it. And I’ve never seen a site with a unified gaming forum where that console warrior nonsense didn’t hurt the atmosphere and level of discourse. It’s much better to have separate platform areas and a general gaming news area with strict moderation of console warring nonsense.
Unfortunately I haven’t found a forum like that since Cheapassgamer’s heyday. Once traffic died off there the quality of posts and moderation took a dive and pretty much the same happened on other well-moderated forums with more subforums. Now it’s really just here, Reddit or undermoderated hellholes like Gamefaqs.
Pretty fuucking much. This place is literally GAF 2.0 and all of the posters who don't give a shit about the political side of gaming have alt accounts here.
I think you've missed my point but alright.
More on topic, I'll probably go in that camp of people who are generally fatigued by the hyperbole and negativity here, and increasingly I'm less and less inclined to even engage, given how aggressive and cynical things can end up getting.
ResetEra doesn’t really have chill anymore. Too many different people with differing world views. Like I don’t give a shit that SFV doesn’t have a season pass this year, but for some reason there’s a lot of people bitching at Capcom for it.
I don’t understand shit anymore.
I don’t understand shit anymore.
Are you the kind of people that call the cops just because your neighbor is having a party?
That's the spirit, we PvP now baby.
Also, if you're attributing most of this negativity to politics, you're missing the point of those discussions. Yes, its easier to stick your head in the sand and ignore issues you've never faced, but there's a difference between that and actively trying to tell people their experiences are false because you've never experienced such a thing. In short, all this negativity in gaming could be solved if folks just empathized with people instead of acting hostile.
Thankfully they were just playing Smash and now the cops are playing too.
I have noticed a more... 4chan-like tone among the gaming community overall. Just a lot of antagonizing and a lot of baiting. A lot of snarky & shitty comments and responses. Just a general lack of respect towards others. In many cases, there's a general hostility towards others. It didn't start here, though, it was that way on the old site, too. It's been slowly devolving towards that direction for a number of years now. I don't think any one thing is to blame. There are obviously many factors, but it's definitely caused me to shy away from posting as often as I did 10-15 years ago. Forums, to me, are a place I go to escape or to indulge in my love for the things I enjoy. Not to create drama or to spew bile over those I don't agree with or things I don't care for.
I remember one person said that they are having fun despite the bugginess/jankiness only to get attacked by other posters (some even called him shill). It's embarassing.
Yep. Forums were s lot more chill back then for sure. There was always fanboy nonsense and shitty people in all fandoms. But it was way more chill when gaming wasn’t politicized. That just changed naturally when games became more story driven and started touching on political and social issues, when more women started gaming and so on. Those were great changes, but definitely increased the drama and conflict in gaming forums.
It created more conflict as diversity and change unfortunately always does. Gamergate started the fire and Trump and the rise of the far right around the world threw a bunch of jet fuel on it. Now there are few options for just shooting the shit about games as the industry, medium and fanbase have just changed and become super political for better or worse. Only real option is to just enjoy games and spend more time playing them and less talking about them online. Which is frankly a healthy thing to do with any hobby as the point of a hobby should be engaging in it rather than spending so much time talking about it.
There's a thread about this, but read this. Ignore the clickbait title.
The very nature of Smash’s design beckons back to a childhood where there were surprises around every corner, and a new game could be explored and discovered rather that pulled apart by forums and Twitter dunking and breathless hype machines.
At least I want to believe that. But I also enjoyed the dunking in magazines and the hype machines of the early Internet and the forum jokes that only I understood. Nothing changed except for me. I let my own cynicism infect my views and take away from the very thing I enjoy most. I don’t mean like, outside of family and loved ones. Just in general. All I got is this.
When I complain that games have changed, fans have changed, games media have changed, I’m really complaining that other people are enjoying things in a way I don’t always understand anymore. Fortnite isn’t dumb because teenagers are learning to dance from it; Fortnite is dumb because I’m dumb and I’m not good at Fortnite.
There’s a deep anxiety in not feeling like you’re enjoying things the right way, and a deep anger in the idea that others are enjoying something differently than you. Even if it’s the same thing you both enjoy.
Having fun doesn’t preclude taking something seriously, and taking the piss out of a game doesn’t preclude it from being fun.
I need to chill the fuck out and just enjoy things for what they are, and appreciate how lucky I am to have a platform in which I can talk about those things. Maybe instead of being mean or angry or bitter, I can attain a higher goal and talk about real things that I care about with real emotions, thinking for myself with real maturity.
At least I want to believe that. But I also enjoyed the dunking in magazines and the hype machines of the early Internet and the forum jokes that only I understood. Nothing changed except for me. I let my own cynicism infect my views and take away from the very thing I enjoy most. I don’t mean like, outside of family and loved ones. Just in general. All I got is this.
When I complain that games have changed, fans have changed, games media have changed, I’m really complaining that other people are enjoying things in a way I don’t always understand anymore. Fortnite isn’t dumb because teenagers are learning to dance from it; Fortnite is dumb because I’m dumb and I’m not good at Fortnite.
There’s a deep anxiety in not feeling like you’re enjoying things the right way, and a deep anger in the idea that others are enjoying something differently than you. Even if it’s the same thing you both enjoy.
Having fun doesn’t preclude taking something seriously, and taking the piss out of a game doesn’t preclude it from being fun.
I need to chill the fuck out and just enjoy things for what they are, and appreciate how lucky I am to have a platform in which I can talk about those things. Maybe instead of being mean or angry or bitter, I can attain a higher goal and talk about real things that I care about with real emotions, thinking for myself with real maturity.
The thing for me is, I just don't even care to report. The fun is sucked out of me to even add a thought. There are times in the conversation when it derails and I totally want to just come in and say, can we get back to the conversation but then I got back to "meh, why do I care? Well you don't so leave it alone" and just scroll past it. I could have just reported it but I just have no need or want to. Idk, I'm just officially tired and rather just watch. Outside of this board, I have a very active and moving life that taking that energy to argue on the internet about something we are even so privilege to play or interact with is not worth it.
Unfortunate that this post is getting buried, because it sums up the whole issue perfectly.
I feel like the recent backlash over Diablo Immortal and Fallout 76 is a perfect demonstration of how ridiculous it is.
For the former, Blizzard made it very clear before Blizzcon that
- A proper Diablo 4 is in development.
- They would not be showing it at Blizzcon.
- Immortal is not intended to replace Diablo 4.
Then with the latter, you have people obsessed over every little thing they did "wrong". From how the extra bag included in the "Power Armor" edition (I.E, the main focus in the edition was on the fancy helmet. Which was considered decent enough for the price.) was made with the wrong material, or how the PC version (Nevermind the fact that 99% of retail box PC games on the market today are just Steam keys with a disc that installs Steam.) includes a cardboard disc, and even people deliberately acting like a rum maker that Bethesda merely licensed the Fallout IP to is Bethesda themselves.
The worst part is that whole "Angry Reviewer" craze, was supposed to be a joke. The whole concept behind the Angry Video Game Nerd was that he was meant to be a ridiculous caricature. Because why would someone scream and rage for several minutes about a game being "bad"? But people somehow took the whole thing at face value, and now "gamer rage" like that GIF is just considered to be a perfectly normal thing.
Internet gonna internet as everyone else is saying, tbh this place is pretty chill compared to other sites, blatant trolls usually get banned pretty quickly.
Also resetera was born from the negativity people were having against the stupid shit Evilore did and was doing.
Also resetera was born from the negativity people were having against the stupid shit Evilore did and was doing.
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Hey good for you and i wish you the best of luck, anxiety is a bitch I know from experience, ive found that since ive stopped engaging with negative people its helped alot. People who are trolling you and aren’t arguing in good faith are not worth your precious time, Im confident that things will work out for you, your already awesome for being so honest!
You'll find that the "community" part of fighting game community only applies if you play the same game, otherwise you must throw the other games under the bus.
The only time fighting game players unite is to shit on Smash Bros, and remind their players that it's not a fighting game and they barely tolerate them at EVO but life would be better without it.
Just read through that article and replied in its thread. Damn great read after spending so much time in this topic today. The part from Toon Link to Greninja was great, along with the part you quoted.
People, myself included, have long taken hobbies too seriously and it sucks the fun out of them overtime and makes people cynical. People don’t need to have strong opinions on everything, or even to have an opinion on everything period. It’s ok to not care about some things and to not care why others like things you don’t and hate things you love and so on. It’s easy to lose sight of that in the hostile, debate-oriented online space that thrives on drama and conflict that attract visitors and generate ad views. It’s good to step back and just remember why you like the hobby and spend more time focusing on thst and ignoring the rest.
This is a great post that tragically won't be read or absorbed by the people who really need to learn from it the most.
The largest age demographic on ResetEra is mid-to-late-30s, and like many people do when they get older, a lot of them have become bitter. Most of the meta-complaints you see about video games basically stem from the common human resistance to change. People want what is familiar to them, particularly the good-feeling things from their formative years or childhood. Throughout human history, particularly in the United States, there have always been cries to return to the "good ol' days."
This is why you see things like the oft-cited Mona Lisa-as-video-game image that implies video games were complete, uncompromised experiences back in the 90s and 00s and that todays games are tiny morsels broken up into DLC packs and pre-order incentives, completely ignoring the exponential increases in overall size, scope, and visual fidelity that today's games offer versus those in the 90s and 00s. It's why you see people say things like "Valve doesn't even make games anymore lol" when they ACTUALLY mean "Valve doesn't make the kind of games that I personally value anymore, because my formative experiences with video games, particularly Valve video games, were with linear, narrative-focused single-player games and those are the kind of experiences I overwhelmingly prefer."
There are also lot of folks on ResetEra who sincerely believe the video game hobby/industry is a zero-sum game where in order for the things they personally like to succeed, the things they personally dislike must fail. That's why you see a lot of language like "If X succeeds it will just encourage more publishers and developers to do shit like this!!" and various flawed premises about how X thing (that they don't personally like or agree with) will be "bad for the industry," or "bad for gamers" citing various vague consequences that basically all amount to "more things that I dislike will be created." They feel they need to shit on games they actually have no interest in and no intention of ever playing, regardless of the actual quality of said games, because they can't accept that products exist outside of their own personal tastes. This is a phenomenon you commonly see in non-OT threads about Street Fighter and Destiny on Era, for example.You can also commonly find these people in press conference threads bitching loudly about why Sony is playing a Call of Duty trailer instead of showing a niche exclusive.
This is why you see things like the oft-cited Mona Lisa-as-video-game image that implies video games were complete, uncompromised experiences back in the 90s and 00s and that todays games are tiny morsels broken up into DLC packs and pre-order incentives, completely ignoring the exponential increases in overall size, scope, and visual fidelity that today's games offer versus those in the 90s and 00s. It's why you see people say things like "Valve doesn't even make games anymore lol" when they ACTUALLY mean "Valve doesn't make the kind of games that I personally value anymore, because my formative experiences with video games, particularly Valve video games, were with linear, narrative-focused single-player games and those are the kind of experiences I overwhelmingly prefer."
There are also lot of folks on ResetEra who sincerely believe the video game hobby/industry is a zero-sum game where in order for the things they personally like to succeed, the things they personally dislike must fail. That's why you see a lot of language like "If X succeeds it will just encourage more publishers and developers to do shit like this!!" and various flawed premises about how X thing (that they don't personally like or agree with) will be "bad for the industry," or "bad for gamers" citing various vague consequences that basically all amount to "more things that I dislike will be created." They feel they need to shit on games they actually have no interest in and no intention of ever playing, regardless of the actual quality of said games, because they can't accept that products exist outside of their own personal tastes. This is a phenomenon you commonly see in non-OT threads about Street Fighter and Destiny on Era, for example.You can also commonly find these people in press conference threads bitching loudly about why Sony is playing a Call of Duty trailer instead of showing a niche exclusive.
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This may seem a bit extreme but sometimes I wonder if Lttp/rttp threads should be banned if the game isn't that old, let's say current gen (or perhaps last gen too if the new systems haven't been out long). It sometimes becomes a bit of a meme where you get lttp threads repeating similar praises or criticism each week for a game that's not that old e.g. I hate Witcher 3 Combat threads. While criticism or praise is fine, I don't see why it cant take up the game's topic thread rather than individual threads where individuals (including admittedly myself) make the same arguments or share opinions over and over again.
We're all nerds that don't know how to properly talk to each other in a productive manner because we spend too much time in front of the computer.
I honestly think its just a very loud minority of people that are like this. Most people are actually pretty chill about stuff and don't care or make a fuss of things which is why you never see or hear from those peeps. As a result you only get the voice of the loud minority which can get a bit annoying. If it gets to that point I just stay away from the site for a while till people get that anger out of their systems lol. No point in stressing or dealing with someone who has that kinda of toxic attitude. You can't tell them how to deal with their inner demons IMO.
Half joking. We just be sum goofy as peeps yo
I honestly think its just a very loud minority of people that are like this. Most people are actually pretty chill about stuff and don't care or make a fuss of things which is why you never see or hear from those peeps. As a result you only get the voice of the loud minority which can get a bit annoying. If it gets to that point I just stay away from the site for a while till people get that anger out of their systems lol. No point in stressing or dealing with someone who has that kinda of toxic attitude. You can't tell them how to deal with their inner demons IMO.
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At first I was going to see that's just an issue of repetition, but thinking a bit more I think it probably does lead into some negativity. I've certainly came to dislike certain posters as they're constantly either attack or defending games like BOTW, Witcher 3 etc. ad nauseam in various repetitive threads over the years. And letting hostile battles be fought over and over again probably does in general contribute to the negative vibe of the forum.
So I could get behind making LTTP/RTTP and similar things that just rehash old opinions and arguments to be limited to prior gen games and anything current gen getting closed and the OP told to post in the OT in the community section. Anything to cut down on all the petty fighting over subjective opinions on games would be a plus in my book, especially for fights that have been done to death and just bring out the usual suspects who have nothing better to do that repeat the same long, drawn out attacks or defenses they've posted dozens of times before.
I've been lurking on video game message boards for a long time and it's always been a balance between people that look at everything negatively and those that think everything is awesome and let's celebrate all video games forever. Sometimes it swings one way, sometimes the other. It probably depends on the state of the industry and the world at large.
I'm sure once the new consoles start getting announced there will be a big swing towards positivity again. Then everybody can get all hyped.
I'm sure once the new consoles start getting announced there will be a big swing towards positivity again. Then everybody can get all hyped.
Naw, never had my neighbors call the cops for my parties yet
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While I did respectfully ask you to pm me if you wanted to continue the discussion about that former thread so I'm not I'm not sure why you decided to reply off topic here but ok. That offer still stands. Anyway, you're looking for something that isn't there. I've never been banned from a forum before in all my life. I'm 40 and have been communicating via the internet since that was a thing. Forums, chatrooms, facebook groups, whatever. I'm a firm believer in live and let live. People need to live their lives according to who they are, however they are, whatever makes them happy. You gotta be you. As long as it's not illegal/immoral etc. (Hey I'm just a drug running serial killer trying to be happy) And at the end of the day none of that even matters to me as it has nothing to do with my life, who I am or what makes me happy. Which is what makes racists or homophobes or supremacists any other hateful people or group so baffling to me. Why are you wasting so much energy from your life? Because you disagree with how another person wants to live? Or just that they want to have the same rights as you? You got people protesting against gay marriage for what? You don't want those two people who love each other to have the same basic rights as you do in the 21st century? People hating each other they've never even met before because of the color of their skin? Or their walk of life? Ridiculous. When you close yourself off like that because of hate you miss out on so much. If I look at my life, my circle of friends, the experiences I've had, the things I've learned and the person I've become because of all of it I truly am blessed. If I think about the person in an alternate universe I would have become had I been close minded I can assure you I wouldn't like that person.
Which is why it hurt me personally when I was banned for a week and my post labeled as transphobic. I literally googled the word transphobe. Great. ResetEra just labeled me as a piece of shit subhuman. I've said all that so I could say all this more on the current topic. I felt like the moderation was a knee jerk reaction and extra harsh as well especially considering the context. What I was really saying is and the OP also stated, "this may be better explained in the game with more context" We're in a cyberpunk (genre) thread and I make a comment jokingly about cybernetic augmentation. It's not like we were in a Tomb Raider thread or Uncharted thread and I'm in there going, "Did you just assume their gender?". Which at that time I didn't even know that was a meme until the CD Projekt Red tweet thread happened like two months later. When I read that thread I saw lots of people getting banned rightfully so. Others not as much. From that point forward is when I started noticing other bans that were clearly undeserved. Folks with well thought out, clearly articulated, non aggressive posts that simply had a difference of opinion were getting banned and their posts were labeled as "hand waving, dismissing concerns etc".
On the other hand we have people in here photoshopping miyazaki's face over Jesus Christ or literally saying to each other, "well then you're a piece of shit too". And that's cool though because it reflects the hive mind? Negativity is up. Way up. Moderation is not fairly or equally distributed. And people are beginning to or have been noticing these trends. The once shiny exterior of ResetEra is now gone and unless something positive is done it will only delve deeper into negativity and become this weird place where nobody says anything at all unless it fits what is deemed as correct. Not exactly a place many people would want to go.
I remember about 20 years ago I used to give my sister so much shit for getting involved in TV Dramas, now I see grown ass men fighting over video games and I can't help but feel embarrassed for what my favourite hobby has become. Can't stand the politics, can't stand the "he said she said" garbage, can't stand the entitlement and gang mentality towards individuals, companies or products and I can't stand the "X needs to die" over exaggeration drama. I play games to relax, chill and have fun and escape bullshit, not draw more of it in.
Yeah it tends to be pretty negative in here lately. Its a shame man. It could be a beautiful place with respectfull people towards each other.
Now its often the opposite.
Now its often the opposite.
Very well said sir. And it’s a shame too cause the valuable sales insiders and other knowledgeable ppl are a great source of info and discussion.
Last year I was excited when Resetera was formed, but lately I’ve noticed it’s not really any better than the old place.
The only reason I’m sorta sticking around is for potential insider info and leaks on PS5. But once it’s revealed, I don’t see myself staying.
I made a very thoughtful and caring comment to a user last week and someone had to give me a mean nasty reply and twist it into a terrible hate filled response.
Days like that user’s comment make me depressed and not want to come back here.
The internet in general has been getting more and more toxic. I think American Politics are at fault. There must be a population threshold, after a certain point negativity consumes all discussion, Era is not immune to this.