Whats with all of the negativity lately?

MrWindUpBird

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Lately?

There's no one more annoyingly combative than an entitled nerd, and there is no nerd more entitled than a gamer. This has been the case for many years now. Gamers are whiny and spoiled and think the industry owes them everything they demand. They also are some of the least tolerant people of opposing views that I've ever encountered.

It's always been this way.
It's like being a fan of the DmC reboot and stating your love for it, only for the "real" DMC fans and purists to tell you just how wrong you are for enjoying a game they didn't. When even the developer of DMC V came out and said he enjoyed the reboot, you still have these insecure nerds who say it's all just lip service.

Gamers are, quite literally, the worst nerds on the planet.
 

Mass_Pincup

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Resetera as a whole is extremely aggressive and the users seem to prefer negative news and antagonism over more positive discussion.

A bit sad since it’s basically slowly going towards the opposite of the values brought forward when the website launched.

GAF didn't implode because of it's discussion, it implode because the owner was found to be a sexual harrasser and people didn't want to be in a site owned by such a person.

If that stuff didn't come to the light, we would all be still on GAF.
People were quietly leaving GAF before the implosion. It was the catalyst but there was underlying issues which made the thought of leaving more palatable for a lot of people.

Just look at the Shinobi an de Andromeda fiasco.
 

Marossi

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I see nothing wrong with those threads. Bethesda (the faceless corporate entity, not the individuals that developed the game) deserve every bit of criticism they got for releasing such a mess of a product.
I wish I were you so I could not notice the negative discourse that goes on in Fallout 76 threads. Don't you dare to publicly say that you have a positive view on that game otherwise you will get dogpiled on.
 

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Holy shit that Gamespot goty red dead thread. Nastiness all around, gleeful nasitness too.

At least in ectera we can have some fun threads.
 

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This just isn’t a fun place and I don’t think it’s meant to be. I think for a lot of us it’s just a place to go and get the latest news and information. For better and for worst - people take videogames very seriously here.

But there’s some fun to be had in the offtopic side if you ignore all the Trump threads.
 

Alexandros

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I wish I were you so I could not notice the negative discourse that goes on in Fallout 76 threads. Don't you dare to publicly say that you have a positive view on that game otherwise you will get dogpiled on.
Again, I am strongly against attacking or even being condescending or rude to individuals expressing a different opinion. I am fine with strongly criticizing and making fun of corporations when they pull that sort of shit.
 

Ferrs

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People were quietly leaving GAF before the implosion. It was the catalyst but there was underlying issues which made the thought of leaving more palatable for a lot of people.

Just look at the Shinobi an de Andromeda fiasco.
People left GAF for its discussions as much as people are leaving Resetera nowadays. Some people, yes, but not noticeable.

The thing is that what drove the exodus fromGAF to this site wasn't the disclosure or people being unhappy with the forum, but what the owner did.

There's always people that pop and say "I hate this place, is so toxic!" yet they keep staying here. It happened in GAF, it happened in Era. And that's because people know the alternative is smaller forum that are way more toxic (unless you go to very specific subreddits for one game with limited discussions).

And that's because the toxicity, at the end, doesn't come from a forum, but from a culture.

Btw, the Shinobi stuff what happened there was utterly embarassing and I already keep saying that in there. I know it would have happened the same in any other gaming forum as big as GAF though, sadly.

I also think moderation here is better than GAF, but I think strict moderations are necessary in forums. I've seen so much vile shit getting unchecked because mods are fearful to be called out by the posters in other places.
 

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This just isn’t a fun place and I don’t think it’s meant to be. I think for a lot of us it’s just a place to go and get the latest news and information. For better and for worst - people take videogames very seriously here.

But there’s some fun to be had in the offtopic side if you ignore all the Trump threads.
Gaming side is great for news, sales and some communities.

Opinion? HZD is soulless, let's talk about soulless games.
 

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You know what OP? I'll take this to heart and try to be more conscious of it in the future.

You don’t get reactions for being positive. Reset isn’t all that different than Twitter or the comments section of YouTube in that regard.
I'll say it isn't about being positive or negative as much as it is some people not being able to handle a differing opinion tactfully and respectfully.
 

Mass_Pincup

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People left GAF as much as people are leaving Resetera nowadays. Some people but not noticeable.

The thing is that what drove the exodus fromGAF to this site wasn't the disclosure or people being unhappy with the forum, but what the owner did.

There's always people that pop and say "I hate this place, is so toxic!" yet they keep staying here. It happened in GAF, it happened in Era. And that's because people know the alternative is smaller forum that are way more toxic (unless you go to very specific subreddits for one game with limited discussions).

And that's because the toxicity, at the end, doesn't come from a forum, but from a culture.
I started browsing GAF circa 2012 and you could clearly noticed a shift in the way people interacted with on another towards the last couple of years. In the Discords people were hopeful that with a clean slate people would be more friendly. It was a huge talking point last year and IIRC the admins made it a priority at first.

It might be worse elsewhere but it wasn’t always like this before and it could definitely be better.
 

Spring

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People left GAF for its discussions as much as people are leaving Resetera nowadays. Some people but not noticeable.

The thing is that what drove the exodus fromGAF to this site wasn't the disclosure or people being unhappy with the forum, but what the owner did.

There's always people that pop and say "I hate this place, is so toxic!" yet they keep staying here. It happened in GAF, it happened in Era. And that's because people know the alternative is smaller forum that are way more toxic (unless you go to very specific subreddits for one game with limited discussions).

And that's because the toxicity, at the end, doesn't come from a forum, but from a culture.

Btw, the Shinobi stuff what happened there was utterly embarassing and I already keep saying that in there. I know it would have happened the same in any other gaming forum as big as GAF though, sadly.
On the contrary, I believe it's actually the forum that allows this kind of negativity to foster. Everyone has an agenda in this forum and wants their opinions to be heard while shutting down everyone else.
 

ghibli99

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I agree that people should be nicer or more respectful to one another in general, especially when you think back to when this place first started, but now, while it's my go-to for game chatter, the negativity gets really old. But I do think part of it is just human nature/internet culture. I'm not immune, but try... *try*... to not be a Debbie Downer and rarely go on the offensive (unless something is just outright terrible/wrong).
 

Ferrs

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I started browsing GAF circa 2012 and you could clearly noticed a shift in the way people interacted with on another towards the last couple of years. In the Discords people were hopeful that with a clean slate people would be more friendly. It was a huge talking point last year and IIRC the admins made it a priority at first.

It might be worse elsewhere but it wasn’t always like this before and it could definitely be better.
I was in the Discord too and of course I remember people talking about hoping this place being more positive, but how do you do that? how do you make a gaming site more positive when there's so much toxic players, entitled gamers, fanboys that just want to start console wars, famous youtubers that dedicate 30 minutes videos to hate onto something that are viewed by millions of player...?

That's why I say this is not a Resetera fault but a gaming culture fault, this was always in it's core, but as gaming growns bigger, the toxicity sadly does too.
Of course it could be better, and I wish it was, but it's hard to do with how gaming culture is nowadays.


On the contrary, I believe it's actually the forum that allows this kind of negativity to foster. Everyone has an agenda in this forum and wants their opinions to be heard while shutting down everyone else.
what can the forum do? some people already criticize the mods here to be too heavy-handed, do you want them to ban everyone that has a slight amount of negativity in their comment? they only can do so much.
 

ActWan

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I generally get what you mean OP and I hope it gets better
The Death Stranding thread yesterday was a fun time without much negativity (but even that had some negative posts too)
 
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I know a lot of places on the internet are the same; and with so many users moderation is tough. But i think that we should all try to be better to eachother here. Me included, that includes being understanding when lgbt, gender; or minority issues arise, we are an accepting community and we should be able to talk about this stuff like adults and support eachother while getting hype for games. If someone says something shitty, the report button is your friend. Engaging them just adds fuel to the fire
 

Couscous

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I've no idea where it came from but, it has been notable for the last few weeks/months. That thread yesterday about RDR2 being Gamespot's Goty was something else. I do have the feeling that Mods are more conservative with their bans than they used to be a year ago though.
 

Spring

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I was in the Discord too and of course I remember people talking about hoping this place being more positive, but how do you do that? how do you make a gaming site more positive when there's so much toxic players, entitled gamers, fanboys that just want to start console wars, famous youtubers that dedicate 30 minutes videos to hate onto something that are viewed by millions of player...?

That's why I say this is not a Resetera fault but a gaming culture fault, this was always in it's core, but as gaming growns bigger, the toxicity sadly does too.
Of course it could be better, and I wish it was, but it's hard to do with how gaming culture is nowadays.




what can the forum do? some people already criticize the mods here to be too heavy-handed, do you want them to ban everyone that has a slight amount of negativity in their comment? they only can do so much.
How about start with NOT banning everyone who has a slightly different opinion?
 
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Next gen leaks or lack of them is making people manic.
The start of a new gen is where all logic and reason goes out the window, it's awful.
 

Jeronimo

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Based on what you wrote and my own personal observations. I wish more people on here would care about representation, than they care about what suit is in Spider-Man. I wish people cared more about the feelings of the LGBTQ+ community when devs take the piss and make shitty jokes and remarks about their lives and struggles rather than being upset about how detailed or not detailed a puddle is. I wish people gave a shit more about various minority groups, your fellow friends and fans on here, than they did about how good a game was, in spite of it's creator being a Nazi.

I'm negative because a lot of folks here have a priority problem and I'm sick of it.
I agree. In my previous post I almost said something about how it's clear that some care way more than I do about video game details that are minor to me and that I prefer to use my limited anger on things that affect me more significantly like issues at work, politics, and the crooked system working as intended.
 
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Its the reason why I lurk more than I talk much. Idk, something about the gaming board is overly dramatic and petty. Every discussion feels like a battle ground and I don't do well with hypocrisy so I just don't care anymore to say anything. Its usually small and insignificant when I do anyways so it is what it is. The negativity is what drove me away. No one seems to be happy with anything anymore and that type of energy is enough for me to step aside.
 

4cute

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I don't think its specifically this website but the internet in general is endlessly fighting over what's "objectively good" and "objectively bad". I lurk a lot of websites now because its tiring and don't bother making big posts/threads unless I just really like something
 

Ferrs

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How about start with NOT banning everyone who has a slightly different opinion?
depending what a "slightly different opinion" means, it can be deserving of a ban. There's a TOS for a reason.

I doubt anyone here got banned for having a slightly different opinion about a game, tbh.
 

Cirrus

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Era has been like this for a long time now. I only come here to get the news, and rarely explore past the first page for most threads because it always ends up the same.

Sometimes I wonder that GameFAQs is probably less toxic than here, when a decade ago the opposite was true.
 

Kerotan

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Try say something positive about PS4 in the media create threads and see the reaction.

Last week I mentioned I was excited to see what the next 3 weeks of PS4 sales will be and someone replied to me saying "LOL". Before telling me he'd never seen anybody excited about ps4 sales. That's just one example.
 

shan780

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i think it's a combination of people taking games (and the culture surrounding them) too seriously and anonymity (most users wouldn't say half the stuff they do in here to a person in real life)
 

Ferrs

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Era has been like this for a long time now. I only come here to get the news, and rarely explore past the first page for most threads because it always ends up the same.

Sometimes I wonder that GameFAQs is probably less toxic than here, when a decade ago the opposite was true.
Everytime I check GameFAQs after page 2/3 everyone start to insult each other, and this is in a forum about 1 single game!
 

KanameYuuki

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I cannot with good conscience call gaming a hobby with mostly good people populating it when the shitty aspects eclipse it for me. Sorry.
Sure, I understand that, but would be nice if you consider just like that example that there are many others, single mothers / people with disabilities / minorities / etc, and so with that statement all of them suck then? (at least you didn't say fuck gamers like many others do).
 
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Cirrus

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Everytime I check GameFAQs after page 2/3 everyone start to insult each other, and this is in a forum about 1 single game!
I'll be honest, I've never actually gone to GameFAQs, I just remember people saying it was a terrible place a long time ago. It's just sometimes after reading how some threads on here end up, I start to wonder how bad other places could be.
 

Mass_Pincup

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I was in the Discord too and of course I remember people talking about hoping this place being more positive, but how do you do that? how do you make a gaming site more positive when there's so much toxic players, entitled gamers, fanboys that just want to start console wars, famous youtubers that dedicate 30 minutes videos to hate onto something that are viewed by millions of player...?

That's why I say this is not a Resetera fault but a gaming culture fault, this was always in it's core, but as gaming growns bigger, the toxicity sadly does too.
Of course it could be better, and I wish it was, but it's hard to do with how gaming culture is nowadays.
I agree, it’s a tough thing to work out and I don’t have an answer as well. Maybe more communication between the mod team and the users would help a bit? Something to foster the sense of community a bit more.
 

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Let's not forget the large number of people that came here from GAF that left there less than gracefully. Moving on to greener pastures wasn't enough. Instead, they had to try and burn the place by insulting, posting pornography, and anything else they could think of to show disdain. That behavior, warranted or not, came over to ERA. The idea that this was a bastion of peace was temporary to our new location. Deep down, we are all the same cynical bastards we were over there.
 

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If you don't like my preferred console and preferred series/games you are obviously an idiot. It's been this way for going on 30 years now.
 

Wolfgunblood

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It doesn't seem any more or less negative than anywhere else on the internet. On the contrary, it's one of the only places that you don't see the really bad shit.

How many people ITT who feel Era is too negative pile on with negativity about Fallout 76 and Bethesda in those threads. What's the Venn Diagram of that.
 

Dekuman

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Just stick to the topics and threads you like. OT is just too depressing for me outside pop culture stuff

News is bad and everyone has an angle and are quick to jump on people
 
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I think it's a mix of entitlement and digital snobbyness.



With that said. I'm not going to be negative at all bro. Peace and Love and Smash!
 

Hitokiri03

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At least from time to time we get threads like the one about UK doors.
I agree.

Even DF threads has people here attacking the content creators over nitpicks that are 'unacceptable' or are raising questions about nonexistent white supremacist backgrounds.
I felt bad for Dark1x reading that thread.