You're welcome. It's plain to see since you wrote a lot more about appropriating the partners voice in the initial post and keep avoiding the subject.
There's some difference between sharing your belief and sharing someone else's beliefs as an appeal to authority.
What's the correct take to have? Everybody in the thread agrees Celeste Ng doesn't deserve any harassment. What's left is the underlying systemic issues that have lead to this situation. Or denying that it is anything more than jealous dudes I guess.
They're all exactly the same right? Anyone who says there's a problem is an incel?
You don't seem overly concerned with making a distinction between the harassers and people who think there's a deeper problem.
It's not about Chinese Nationalism, as mentioned, this topic is much deeper, and the unfortunate reality is that while yes, the harassment is real with Celeste, her article only paints one side of the story. If you check the Plan A article/Topic here (and earlier in the topic):
Nobody is excusing the harassment though. And I disagree that this should be ignored or dismissed.
You sound exactly like the "hall monitors" described in the PlanA piece. Especially when the thread created to focus on Asian American men discrimination in response to this thread is sitting at less than half a page 24+ hours in.
It's not victim blaming, and she sure as hell deserves criticism, but it's definitely seeking to shift the focus away from the harassers and paint them as victims of third parties.
That would be because this all stems from said third party, AKA systemic racism. There would be no discussion at all if nobody talked about it beyond 'yeah fuck those guys', nor do I believe that shutting down any attempt to look at the causes versus addressing the symptom is helpful.
We ain't talking about dudes who harass women or think this way though. We're looking at what made this situation in the first place. You might not want to admit it, but white boy incels have been extensively talked about in the same way here, and nobody is giving them a pass for being manchildren. You seem intent on lumping any discussion of this in with excusing harassment, which it is not. It's kind of telling that the go to attempt to shut down discussion is to label anyone who tries as an incel sympathizer.
We're not excusing incel behavior, everyone in this thread is against harassment of women in regards to who they date. We are also looking deeper into the reasons why.
I's important to distinguish between reason and excuse. Talking about the reason isn't an excuse of shitty behavior. And talking about the context and source of this isn't an attempt to divert the focus away from Asian women being harassed by Asian men. It's actually taking a more critical look at it, as opposed to stopping at the surface level to say 'yeah fuck those guys', which is a convenient and self-affirming narrative to cover up a rather less than convenient reality.
Given I don't question your intent in exploring the issues beyond the surface and don't believe you're shifting blame to absolve people of responsibility by exploring these deeper issues, I agree with you.
Sorry about that, I didn't mean to point the finger at you specifically. I was speaking more generally.
No no, sorry if I made you think that. I didn't get that sense from you post. Your other thread and the starting article is a great jump off.
