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When do we expect Toy Story 1 to get a graphical remake if ever?

ItWasMeantToBe19

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Toy Story 1 is a beloved movie with visuals that are... not very good at all anymore. They were groundbreaking at the time and still have pretty good expressions, but the level of detail is not very good, the lighting is light years behind Pixar currently, and the humans look creepy.

Rereleases of movies with CGI improved almost never happens and it's probably not easy to do, but if one movie were to get this treatment, Toy Story 1 would have to be the movie right? Do we see Disney basically doing a video game remaster with this ever or no?
 
Window

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Didn’t they do this a few years ago?

Edit: Seems like it was for the 3D release but it didn’t change anything.
 
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nsilvias

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hopefully never. movies are historical pieces. its like adding sound or color to black and white and silent movies.
 
MrMephistoX

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Doesn’t need it from a historic perspective.

nsilvias said:
hopefully never. movies are historical pieces. its like adding sound or color to black and white and silent movies.
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I shudder every time I see It’s a Wonderful Life in shitty retouched technicolor every year on some networks...You’ll have to pry my B&W bluray out of my cold dead as Frank Capra hands!
 
WhiteRabbitEXE

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Erasing like, the entirety of the art is a hard nah. Even moreso for such a significant film in film history. Would legit be even worse than Lucas painting over the revolutionary effects from ANH.

Window said:
Didn’t they do this a few years ago?
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No. They DID re-render it at a higher resolution, but it was the exact same movie otherwise.
 
Prompto

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No. Disney will do a live action remake instead that will add an additional 30 minutes centered on a new sub plot about Andy’s dad or something
 
ToddBonzalez

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A Toy Story remake with Toy Story 4 CGI quality would definitely do gangbusters at the BO. Would they do it? Who knows.
 
Kapryov

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They re-rendered it a few years ago to increase the resolution. No other changes.

I can't see them going over and doing it again, just changing the textures or lighting would probably completely break some scenes. It would be a huge task.
If they want to re-release it to cinemas and want to put the budget towards that, then whatever, but I think they prefer to focus on new projects.
 
CloudWolf

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What you're asking for isn't a "video game remaster", the equivalent to a video game remaster would be them rerendering it to reach a higher resolution which they already did IIRC for the blu-ray release.

What you're asking for is a complete remake with a completely new set of animations, assets, cinematography, timings, etc. That would cost millions to make and about as much time as making a completely new movie for very little return. No one in their right mind would do that.
 
Mekanos

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What's the cost benefit of Disney doing this?

This is just repurposing the argument of colorizing black and white films.
 
Tokyo_Funk

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It is entirely possible to update the textures in the scenes and re-render the whole thing at a higher resolution with Renderman. The PBR workflow is easy enough to update from the specular one.

Also fix the faces. Yikes.
 
Mahonay

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They shouldn’t touch it. It was a landmark in what is possible with CG filmmaking, and laid the foundation for everything that followed over the past 24 years. It’s like a living museum.
 
Vulcano's Assistant

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With the issues of remastering something created on relatively archaic technology aside. The other problem is figuring out where the remaster stops so you are not just remaking it. If you change the lighting then you may want to update the textures, then you may want update the models, but then you have much more detailed characters (especially their faces) that don't march the simple animation of 95. Are you going to redo the animation as well?
 
Arex

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I hope they do it. A vastly improved graphics will make it easier for more people nowadays to get started with the franchise, imo.

Of course, they gotta keep the original version available so that the purists will still have the original to watch if they desire to lol.
 
tadaima

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CloudWolf said:
What you're asking for is a complete remake with a completely new set of animations, assets, cinematography, timings, etc. That would cost millions to make and about as much time as making a completely new movie for very little return. No one in their right mind would do that.
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Sorry to cherry pick your post but it stood out. I sincerely doubt a Toy Story remaster would make "very little return." We're probably talking at least $150mm at the box office if they give it a decent enough push. Possibly a whole lot more if they went all-out with it.

About the cost: with a Toy Story remaster, there is a lot that can be recycled. There is already a lot in place. The team already has the entire storyboard as well as a large sum of assets including scenes, animations, models, textures, sound design, and music recordings. Many of these would need to be totally re-rigged and some will need upgrading, but it is not the same as starting with a blank canvas.

Even if a scene needs to be completely reworked from the ground-up, the team already knows exactly how to lay it all out down to every last camera angle.

I don't necessarily agree with remaking or upgrading movies, but it sort of depends on the creators' original vision. On the plus side, it allows films to reach a larger audience. But regardless, we all know that Disney is one of the world's most capitalist companies and really doesn't care a whole lot about milking something as long as it fits with their business strategy, so they'd probably jump at the chance if they knew it would boost their balance sheets.
 
CreepingFear

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I don't mind "special editions", as long as the original is still available. I'm looking at you Lucas/Lucasfilm/Disney! Realeae a new fucking version every year, for all I care. Just give me a choice to have the original.
 
Setsune

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Mobu said:
Seems like a waste of money
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It'd be a lot of things, but a waste of money is not one of them. Especially if Toy Story 4 really was the end of the series (I've heard both ways). It'd be a way to get fresh bank on an existing installment.

I'd be for it. I've always felt like it was a missed opportunity for movies with digital effects to not sometimes go back and update them, while hopefully respecting the original artistic intent. Sadly, Lucas kind of poisoned the well for that. The danger would be changing too much, ruining clean shots, or snappy character animations, etc. But the humans could sure use some reworking...
 
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NinjaScooter said:
Disney will eventually do a live action remake.
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FormatCompatible said:
Stop motion.
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Ghos said:
It could be good honestly. One of the best fits for it.
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
What.
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Cantaim said:
I hate the fact that I can see this being announced in 4 years lmao.
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Already exists and its actually a very fun watch
 
Lord Panda

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They should take a leaf out of 343i's playbook and release the: 'Pioneering Pixar Collection' which allows you to switch between classic and remastered / remade visuals. Monsters Inc. also is in need of a visual upgrade.
 
BrickArts295

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Even if they could, they wouldn't do it. Like Snow White and Steamboat, its part of that Disney prestige and film history.
But hey I'm not against the idea.
 
Dan Thunder

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Should just leave it alone. There's a difference between remastering a film to clean it up and make it look its best and basically remaking it.

Aside from dated aesthetics the story itself holds up so why meddle.
 
Freakzilla

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I was just thinking about this. My daughter is showing interest in Toy story now that we have the Disney app and I shudder to play Toy Story 1 over 3.
 
Arex

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品川駅 said:
This is a really silly take.

It still looks good and people should be able to understand the concept called: “old movie”
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Not really, old (live action) movie humans still looks like human. Old CG humans frankly looks shit now. I'll say the TS1 toys still look alright and with updated lighting they'll still look nice I think, but the humans, they look real bad by today's standard. At least update the humans :P
 
shaneo632

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I watched the 4K and while the textures definitely look dated I can't say it bothered me at all. It's weird to me that people can't just watch a film and appreciate it within the context of its age.
 
Khasim

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Hopefully not. It would most certainly be Disney-mandated and not Pixar's idea, and as such would probably end up being terrible like the Lion King remake.
It would still make over a billion though, just like LK
 
Wrellie

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It's so weird. I fired this up on Disney+ in 4K and thought to myself "Wow, this looks so good compared to watching it on VHS back in the day". Leave it alone. It looks great as it is.
 
HotHamBoy

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Seriously, do people actually have problem with TS1 visuals?

When people watch TS1 they should be aware of the fact that it was a technological pioneer, that it was the first CGI feature film. So much work was put in by so many people to make the movie look as mind-blowing as it did at the time. If I had worked on scenes in that film and was told they were basically "painting over" what I had done I'd be pissed.

You watch Toy Story and you see where it all started and how far we've come.

Also, FWIW, little kids DO NOT give a shit about how good the CGI is in the stuff they watch. Have you seen the CGI kids shows they air on TV?
 
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