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When Sega took on Zelda, they really went for the jugular

Apr 21, 2018
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I'm sure the game is great in it's own right, but I think it's a bit odd to suggest Sega went for the jugular when pretty much nobody ever mentions this game anymore, whereas everyone know ALTTP.
It's not complicated.
Zelda a Link to the Past was already the third entry of a famous franchise produced by the absolute leader of previous gen.
In addition, through history, Sega released too many games they didn't marketed that much.

Every generation, Nintendo offers a Fire Emblem, Sega gives Shining Force, Dragon Force, Sakura Wars, Valkyria Chronicles. Sega splits its fanbase. Some franchises are forgotten.

All these reasons explain why a game like LTTP is famous and not Crusader.
 
Dec 27, 2017
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Game sounds very interesting, I’d never heard of it before and want to give it a go.

Seems like the game has more in common with Link’s Awakening which came out a year earlier than this with similar, albeit lighter, exestintial themes.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I remember renting Soleil when I was younger and finding significantly more confusing and hard than Zelda. While I stand that it is a bit harder than Zelda I regret I never purchased it at the time because it was one of the Mega Drive's least known gems.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not sure making a game that failed to resonate with a wide enough audience and hence never getting a sequel, spinoff, or even a proper port to any future system, is really considered "going for the jugular". A more apt phrase to for this game is "You come at the king, you best not miss". Unfortunately for all their best intentions, the game did miss the audience and hence is largely forgotten until brought up again in threads like this that deal with obscure and forgotten games.

Sorry that the truth hurts, but Zelda takes no prisoners. This game is not bad though.
I see no truth in your post, just deflection for the sake of...Zelda's honor? I dunno, this is a super weird take that almost requires intentionally misunderstanding the OP. They went for the jugular in the sense of taking the concept of what Zelda is and not only expanding that from a game design perspective but going for a story that the Nintendo of the time wouldn't have dared touch with a ten foot pole. The game doesn't need to have been successful or even remembered 20 years later to have been a bold stroke against the competition.
 
Nov 19, 2017
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$400? Mine is the paper sleeve version (in mint or near mint). I wonder if that actually has any value to it compared to the plastic box. (I got it new at an EB when it came out but this was quite a while back.)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That sounds really interesting. I'm sad to have never played or heard of it. It kind of reminds me how Terranigma reconstructs and subverts your expectations on some gaming staples at the time.
 
Nov 4, 2017
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Story sounds amazing, sadly I never had a Genesis. I hope this game gets re-released soon, I'd like to give it a shot. Hopefully via the Genesis mini or Sega Ages.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I’m surprised so many people haven’t heard of this game as it always seemed to be fairly well-known. I guess I’m getting old. For me it was always one of those games that was sort of just there, I must have tried it a dozen or more times but it just never resonated. That said, I am also surprised it isn’t available on any of the Genesis collections.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I see no truth in your post, just deflection for the sake of...Zelda's honor? I dunno, this is a super weird take that almost requires intentionally misunderstanding the OP. They went for the jugular in the sense of taking the concept of what Zelda is and not only expanding that from a game design perspective but going for a story that the Nintendo of the time wouldn't have dared touch with a ten foot pole. The game doesn't need to have been successful or even remembered 20 years later to have been a bold stroke against the competition.
This is a great post.
 
Nov 2, 2017
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This is a game that always caught my eye in magazines back in the day and I might try to play it at some point this summer. I've heard I doesn't play nearly as well as Zelda but it looks interesting enough to look into on my own.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I played this back a release and found it underwhelming at the time. Still bitter about the back of box quote saying 80 hours of gameplay, more like 8.0 hours. Could beat that game in a weekend easy.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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One of my top 5 Megadrive games. I'd never played an action-rpg or Zelda game before, so it opened up a whole genre for me. I hope Sega puts it into a compilation release someday, as I only played through it once.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
Landstalker and Beyond Oasis were better. Hell, I had more fun playing Light Crusader. Centy was always worse to me.

The most "Zelda-like" of the games on the Genesis to look at, but it's slower paced and the hit detection felt bad.

I don't believe the hype here.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Never heard of it, but it looks really interesting.

But i have to laugh at the logic in gif #3: "I can't pass through some trees. Let me create a river of lava, that's easier to traverse." XD
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Wow, besides the different gameplay elements (movement, companions, environment interaction), the story bits sound really interesting. Would love to check this out someday.

Thanks for the write-up.
 
Mar 11, 2019
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I've the feeling that the whole "talking to God" thing got past the angry Christian parents because it turns out you don't actually see God, you just talk to Him through the "gate to Heaven" or whatever
 
Feb 15, 2018
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The sword thowing animal combo mechanics are way more interesting than any of the mechanics in ALttP IMO, and honestly I also prefer the overworld map because I'm lazy and it cuts down on back tracking. But controls, combat (throwing felt good, but swinging felt off), and a lot of the puzzles are all a step down from ALttP
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I liked it a lot and it was also way easier then Landstalker. I finished it a few years ago on an emulator in one session and found it as lovely as back in the day.
But despite the difficulty, Landstalker is much preferred in my book.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I always thought Story of Thor/Beyond Oasis was the best of the MD zeldalikes. It was actually far better when it came to combat, and I love the elemental system that was used both for fighting and puzzles.
 
Apr 9, 2019
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CLT
Looks like I've got some new items to add to my backlog. Zelda is my absolute favorite series, but I love that they take on the moral absolutism of the series. Always been a gripe of mine. Or, at least, always since I was able to form such arguments.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Jugular? The game is bland. The music is forgettably generic. The sound effects are ear-grating. The hit detection on the sword is completely broken. The level design is boringly uninspired. It's just all-around sloppy. It has some redeeming qualities (notably the story), but they aren't enough to redeem how "meh" this game is. It's no wonder even Sega forgot about it.
 
Mar 11, 2019
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Zelda is my absolute favorite series, but I love that they take on the moral absolutism of the series. Always been a gripe of mine.
The Bible: "The Moabites and Canaanites are evil! God says to slaughter them all to protect His chosen people!"
Zelda: "Ganon and his legions of demons are evil! Hylia says to slaughter them all to protect her chosen kingdom!"

I'm surprised that people are self-aware enough to note the problems with the former scenario but not the latter. I mean, I don't think Undertale's combat is that fun, but it had a point in "You're just going to do ANYTHING in a game that you wouldn't do in real life if it's fun to do, aren't you?"
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Jordan
I always hear someone praising a Zelda clone and how it is a "better Zelda" game than X or Y, and it was never the case. not with Alundra, not with Okami, and it won't be for this game too. Zelda is a unique series, i don't think comparing everything this game tried to do with Zelda is the right thing to do. if this game decided to "question morality" in a certain way, it doesn't mean this is the way to do things, it is just a different game, trying to do something different.

it is interesting though, i will try to check it out, if that is possible.
 
I always hear someone praising a Zelda clone and how it is a "better Zelda" game than X or Y, and it was never the case. not with Alundra, not with Okami, and it won't be for this game too. Zelda is a unique series, i don't think comparing everything this game tried to do with Zelda is the right thing to do. if this game decided to "question morality" in a certain way, it doesn't mean this is the way to do things, it is just a different game, trying to do something different.

it is interesting though, i will try to check it out, if that is possible.
Wouldn't it make sense to play the game before critiquing someone else's opinion?
 
Apr 9, 2019
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CLT
The Bible: "The Moabites and Canaanites are evil! God says to slaughter them all to protect His chosen people!"
Zelda: "Ganon and his legions of demons are evil! Hylia says to slaughter them all to protect her chosen kingdom!"

I'm surprised that people are self-aware enough to note the problems with the former scenario but not the latter. I mean, I don't think Undertale's combat is that fun, but it had a point in "You're just going to do ANYTHING in a game that you wouldn't do in real life if it's fun to do, aren't you?"
It's Nintendo's biggest issue overall, where it pertains to narrative. Granted, they tend to gravitate towards idealist stories that can be easily comprehended by children and it's not as if Zelda hasn't ever touched on these topics itself but not to a degree that it's changed much. It does make me wonder if they're aware of their overwhelming pro-imperial messaging?