Archer's Enterprise didn't lose anybody, not a single redshirt, for the first two years. Then like 1/3 of the crew died fighting the Xindi.
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Which Trek Captain had the most difficult command?
- Thread starter RedRum
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I agree with you.
Voyager should have had the most difficult journey; 30+ years, crippled and limping back home, barely held together with duct tape and her crew tramuatized.
Such an awesome premise that was squandered.
I'm not sure that Archer's job was any harder than Kirk's, and neither were much harder than Picard's. Archer's biggest hurdle was that one time when he volunteered to fly his ship into crazy space that could flip his organs inside out, on the vague hope that maybe he could survive and accomplish something while he was in there. And I'm not sure that counts as having a hard job, so much as being crazy.
Yup this would have been awesome and it was something Enterprise did really well during season 3 when they were fighting the Xendi, there was a lot I enjoyed about Voyager (certainly more than most) but what a waste of a premise. The writers really ruined that show.
I just wish that the show runners for Voyager and Enterprise had been better at coming up with ethical dilemmas. It was obvious that they wanted Janeway's decision to stay in the Delta Quadrant to have real moral weight but they just wrote themselves into a corner.
Another missed opportunity with Voyager would have been to start with Janeway as a strict, uncompromising Captain who has to sacrifice more and more of her ideals in order to get her ship and crew home. Her character development really suffered for never having her own "in the pale moonlight" moment. Hell, even "Living Record" which had a killer premise, balked at actually showing the crew in a negative light.
I really need to watch the last two seasons of Enterprise at some point.
Oh if that's how you wanna play it:
Trapped in a time loop for 90+ years
Its an easy retcon. At the time she said they had no way to replace them that might have been true. It probably takes some dedicated machinery and skill to safely manufacture the explosive yields. As time went on, they converted some area of the ship to manufacture heavy machine parts that the replicator wasn't able to produce.
Sadly, they never worry about resources except in the most superficial of ways. Essentially, Year of Hell is what 7 seasons of Voyager should have been.
Not to mention that Voyager encountered another Federation ship that went in that direction.
Georgiou.
Her first officer started a war with the Klingons, mutinied against her and got her killed.
Her first officer started a war with the Klingons, mutinied against her and got her killed.
Spoilers are cool. Not everyone paid CBS for their shit streaming service.
On the Internet.
Where the plot of Discovery has been widely discussed across countless interviews and news articles and forums and tweets. Those aren't spoilers, they're the setting for the show.
If I went into anything further I'd be spoiling.
I'd say Captain Jellico of the U.S.S. Enterprise. His step to command came out of nowhere, and he wanted to do things his way, and battle drills his way, but his first officer was not supportive, which led to a clashing of leadership and crew. Jellico was competent, and caring, but not compatible with the crew or situation, making his command strained, and very difficult.
Not to mention his ancestor was Dick Jones of OCP. That association is gonna make any command situation difficult for building trust.
Oh if that's how you wanna play it:
Trapped in a time loop for 90+ years
I was going to put this, but he and his crew were completely oblivious to it all at the time weren't they?
Look up a guide for what episodes to watch for seasons one and two. Some of them are incredibly drab
Oh if that's how you wanna play it:
Trapped in a time loop for 90+ years
"what if the borg won wolf 359" Riker has seen some shit
Sisko. Between the stakes of the war against the Dominion, playing politics with the Klingons and Romulans, trying to bring Bajor into the Federation, a group of godlike aliens sitting on his shoulder fucking with his head, and the fact that frankly the station was a Cardassian deathtrap, literally everything that could be against him, was.
S'why when Q showed up he just punched his lights out. Waaaaay too much on his plate to be humoring some omnipotent douchwad.
S'why when Q showed up he just punched his lights out. Waaaaay too much on his plate to be humoring some omnipotent douchwad.
As everyone mentioned, probably Sisko. Janeway could have had it the worst if the writing had more forethought, though having to deal with Netflix puts her job at #2.
Archer had it the easiest until the Xindi arc.
Archer had it the easiest until the Xindi arc.
Janeway no doubt. She had a makeshift crew that was almost as incompetent as she was. Also don't want to derail the thread but I tried watching DS9 and found it really boring a few years ago. Does it get better?
I've got bad news for you, friend..."what if the borg won wolf 359" Riker has seen some shit
The borg won Wolf 359 in the main timeline too.
100% Sisko
Janeway was in a bad situation sure but her own dumb decisions and psuedo-genocidal tendencies are what really put her in a bind.
DS9 really picks up after it gets going. It is admittedly kinda slow initially
Janeway was in a bad situation sure but her own dumb decisions and psuedo-genocidal tendencies are what really put her in a bind.
DS9 really picks up after it gets going. It is admittedly kinda slow initially
Wouldn't go that far. No backup, no starbases. Silent Enemy and Dead Stop are perfect examples.
Agreed. DS9 is like eating some very tasty brie, with lots of the delicious soft-cheese that is Star Trek wrapped in a rind of bajoran religious bullshit. Sometimes that rind enhances the experience as a whole, but mostly it just gets in the way and occasionally detracts. Going through the first couple of seasons is like eating too much rind and not enough soft cheese.
Come now, it was a Skink/Catfish hybrid. Oh god, just remembering the episode is devolving me.
Sisko. Kirk. Janeway I guess, I didn't watch that show, but they did face some pretty outlandish, fucked up, or just plain idiotic shit...then Picard and everyone else.
The ones in an active war situation with crazier stories that probably didn't even make the series. And the one that got turned into a lizard-thing.
The ones in an active war situation with crazier stories that probably didn't even make the series. And the one that got turned into a lizard-thing.
Yeah but imagine having to deal with the aftermath.
"what if the borg won wolf 359" Riker has seen some shit
LOL, this was the other picture I was thinking of using.
Even though I think Sisko had the more difficult command, I do think it's important to remember that the Federation knew Picard was extremely capable in diplomacy as well as being experienced in combat, so he was very often placed into extremely dicey situations that could've played out in much worse ways. As luck would have it though, his crew was stacked as hell and helped him immensely in those difficult places, especially with people like Data and Q having his back.
It's either sisko or Janeway. Sisko had to play a role as a federation captain as well as some important religious icon on top of all the other stuff with running ds9. Janeway had to keep her crew together for a mission that would likely not end successfully with limited assistance from Starfleet.
Captain Kirk, just for having to put up with all those accents. What they didn't show you was him always saying, "...what?" or pretending not to hear what you said and asking to repeat it, lol.
I have an accent. I speak from experience :p
Fuck I was going to say this one too.Oh if that's how you wanna play it:
Trapped in a time loop for 90+ years
Sisko - the Dominion war was brutal
On the other hand.....Picard had a crazy Cardassian asking him how many lights he saw
I wonder why the Borg didn't attack the Alpha Quadrant during the Dominion war..........and did the Dominion ever run into the Borg in the Gamma Quadrant?
On the other hand.....Picard had a crazy Cardassian asking him how many lights he saw
I wonder why the Borg didn't attack the Alpha Quadrant during the Dominion war..........and did the Dominion ever run into the Borg in the Gamma Quadrant?
So?
Troi turned into an amphibian
RIker a caveman
Picard a marmoset
Spot into a lizard
Barclay a spider
Worf into a uhhhh big scary thing
Sisko had magical space gods watching his back, so I'm not sure I can say he had the most difficult command. He also had the entirety of Starfleet along with him.
I'd say Janeway or Archer really. They were the ones in totally uncharted territory with little to no backup besides what they found for themselves.
I'd say Janeway or Archer really. They were the ones in totally uncharted territory with little to no backup besides what they found for themselves.
Picard got his heart replaced, later he was body horrored and destroyed pretty much all of the other federation starships, lived 50 years in a dying planet playing the flute and trying to convince people global warming was a real thing then got tortured by a dude with biological shoulderpads then pulled back in time to bang his best friend and play dom jot then he came back and did even more shit while fending off an interdimensional omnipotent crazy person
dude got it bad
I think the flute thing was the worst. That would really traumatize a person.
Let's not even talk about the time he was cloned into Tom Hardy
dude got it bad
I think the flute thing was the worst. That would really traumatize a person.
Let's not even talk about the time he was cloned into Tom Hardy