Or Ford again.
Im not saying that nobody was at fault, but to claim everyone supported it back then is not true. Even worse to state that everyone who was called into service (which very often happened against their will). It was war, every male had to serve.
Their only chance to survive was to obey. If you didnt, you faced brutal if not deadly consequences. After all it was a dictatorship.
This has nothing to do with whitewashing, people who supported the moral stance hitler's are nazis. The rest were victims of their time.
There were nazis among citizens, there were nazis among soldiers. There were people who did not share his view among both groups.
It's just too easy to say "male, lived and served during ww2 - must be nazi". Those who didnt serve (because too old or w/e) built highways used to transport our heavy military. Are those nazis too "because they supported and helped germany to advance in war"? You are making this too easy for yourself.
Emphasis on conscripted.
Don't conflate German soldiers with Nazis. Most of them didn't want to even be out there fighting and dying on the whims of a madman, but the Nazis kinda forced you to. It was like WW1 all over again - you either went and died for your country or they hanged you from a tree outside your village so everyone would know what happens to people who aren't "patriotic".
Soldiers fought because they were told to, not because they want to. Why do you think, when the Nazis surrendered, both sides came together and celebrated with each other? Nobody wanted to be there and were just glad it was over.
Not all of them did war crimes, of course and most of them had no choice. However, I refuse to believe that at least some of them did not buy fully into the racial superiority bullshit and we're able to get away with it because of their young age.
The whole "clean Wehrmacht" thing is a myth. The regular German military committed countless war crimes and there is plenty of evidence regarding just how much the rank and file bought into Nazi ideology.
Yup. If you want to poliiticize your dollar, avoid nestle products (and there are a fuckload), and move all of your money from major banks to credit unions, and even then, be careful with who.I don't know anyone who thinks this way. There are also a ton of companies committing atrocious acts in modern day.
No everyone did not commit horrible crimes (especially at such a large scale). And the German army was very supportive of Hitler, that's why they enthusiastically committed war crimes throughout the war.It was war. Everyone committed horrible crimes. The very act of war itself is a crime against humanity. We shouldn't just assume that the entire German military were supportive of Hitler because we know they weren't.
It was more then just the controlling people, many Germans supported the Nazis.The second World War was never about fighting Germany. It was about fighting the Nazis that controlled it.
Are you seriously trying to compare those and the Nazis seriously... Just wow.Obviously some people did buy what the Nazis were selling but, shit, how many millions of Americans bought what Trump was selling? How many British fell for the lies of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage? Times haven't changed. It's still easier to turn people against each other than convince them to work together and it wasn't until the message of the Nazi party changed from "Jews are stealing your jobs" to "we should kill Jews" that people began to realise that maybe this wasn't exactly what they had signed up for. By then it was too late.
Please post examples of soldiers being severly punished for not committing war crimes (hint it didn't really happen)How many tens of thousands of German soldiers do you think it took to be charged with treason or just shot on the front line for desertion before it became a matter of falling in line or being killed by your own people?
Please post examples of soldiers being severly punished for not committing war crimes (hint it didn't really happen)
I specifically was talking about being punished for not committing war crimes not happening, because there were plenty of soldiers who would do it willingly and enthusiastically. Which goes against the whole "most of the German army not being Nazis" idea / Clean Wehrmacht.Wait, you actually think German soldiers weren't shot by their superiors for deserting and that Germans who refused to join the war effort weren't murdered and put on display in their hometowns as an example to others who might do the same?
Yes there is. When you are 15 and have the choice of hiding and probably starving to death if you can't steal enough, or getting forcibly drafted and die for a cause you don't believe in, you aren't fighting to advance anyhing, you're fighting because you don't want to get killed. Smh at some people in here.If you fought to advance and protect the causes of the Reich, is there a functional difference?
I understood this reference.
IT IS IN THE LIGHT
I'm always surprised by the amount of people who think the space race was some noble effort in the name of science. It was a popular way to get to fully working ICBMs with a bonus of Cold War prestige, any and all science done on the way was a byproduct at best.
Not blind to that, however haven't seen any evidence that anything that came from NASA work was derived from war crimes. NASA is not guilty of war crimes but a shit ton of capitalism electronics derived from it.I'm always surprised by the amount of people who think the space race was some noble effort in the name of science. It was a popular way to get to fully working ICBMs with a bonus of Cold War prestige, any and all science done on the way was a byproduct at best.
Wasn't saying that it was.Not blind to that, however haven't seen any evidence that anything that came from NASA work was derived from war crimes. NASA is not guilty of war crimes but a shit ton of capitalism electronics derived from it.
Wernher von Braun, the guy who shot you guys on the moon, build the V2 for Hitler. He used KZ-inmates to create these weapons.Not blind to that, however haven't seen any evidence that anything that came from NASA work was derived from war crimes. NASA is not guilty of war crimes but a shit ton of capitalism electronics derived from it.
I don't know if you're being facetious with your overall post or not, but "Coke purchased them" isn't accurate; the brand was created by the non-Nazi employees of Coca Cola's German operations when it was cut off during the war; it was always a Coke product.I refuse to eat or shop at any store that is willing to carry Fanta beverages. Dirty Nazi drink. Coke purchased them so I also avoid all coke products as well. It's very hard to shop to say the least.
This is 100% the type of shit we should be worried about insteadI get OP's discomfort but I'm much more bothered by organizations such as Nestle that are at bond-villain levels of shit (rather literally given the inspiration of Nestle's moves to privatize water sources for Quantum of Solace)
Thanks to that I discovered that there are two new videos. "Real sleep" is proper creepy. And the other one features the moon!
They're both dead, but not actually for that long; it's nine and five years, respectively. As for their actions during WWII, there's not much, so who knows. There are definitely far worse people out there who came out of it all unscathed.The people who founded those companies are (probably) long dead, and it is not like they glorify their service to the Nazi regime. So, no biggie.
Well, depends on how you define that. NASA only really worked when they brought Wernher von Braun in and he used forced labour and his work prior to NASA was used to bomb London.Not blind to that, however haven't seen any evidence that anything that came from NASA work was derived from war crimes. NASA is not guilty of war crimes but a shit ton of capitalism electronics derived from it.
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the advances specifically made as a result of the tech NASA developed.Wernher von Braun, the guy who shot you guys on the moon, build the V2 for Hitler. He used KZ-inmates to create these weapons.
Yes there is. When you are 15 and have the choice of hiding and probably starving to death if you can't steal enough, or getting forcibly drafted and die for a cause you don't believe in, you aren't fighting to advance anyhing, you're fighting because you don't want to get killed. Smh at some people in here.
Again, not talking about the rocket tech that made the space race possible. I'm talking about all the communications tech, computer tech, navigation tech, food tech, and all the other stuff that has been turned into or derived into other commercial products.Thanks to that I discovered that there are two new videos. "Real sleep" is proper creepy. And the other one features the moon!
They're both dead, but not actually for that long; it's nine and five years, respectively. As for their actions during WWII, there's not much, so who knows. There are definitely far worse people out there who came out of it all unscathed.
Well, depends on how you define that. NASA only really worked when they brought Wernher von Braun in and he used forced labour and his work prior to NASA was used to bomb London.
It also inspired my favourite XKCD comic every, which is also mildly topical:
Who's talking about average here? You talked about there being no difference between the people who fought on the German side in that war, which is a gross overgeneralization. You weren't talking averages, you were talking everyone.