- Oct 25, 2017
The duels in the PT are a fucking embarrassment.
also obi-wan is still super agile and careful after qui-gon dies
I think it's a problem for almost all the movies where the fights are cut up with other stuff going on. Even when it's good other stuff, I don't like it. TFA I think was only cut in the middle of the saber fight, which is just a step below ideal.
This has been touched on a few times already in the past couple pages. The likes of Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Dooku, Qui Gon etc, are all JEDI MASTERS. They were instructed by Jedi teachers, and later honed their skills under a Jedi Master. They have decades of experience. Obviously Lucas also wanted to showcase more/flex what Jedi could do. Hence the acrobatics and more fencing, fast paced like combat. We're getting to see the Jedi Order and Jedi masters really for the first time on screen in a more complete sense, as full trained as warriors. Then Order 66 happened....The saber fights seem to have more finesse in the prequels. It was as if it really was an art. I can't help but notice the roughness of Klyo and Rey, almost amateurish. Not sure if thats intentional or not. I don't know. Obi, Anakin, Yoda would have cleaned streets against these fools. Even Darth Maul would have made Kylo sweat.
Apparently you can be super agile no matter what according to the Prequel movies as long as your in a duel.
That's because they were amateurs. Kylo was a padawan who never finished his training and Rey had never dueled anyone before, ever. The fights in the prequel trilogy were all between people who've been trained in actual combat styles. Of course it's intentional.The saber fights seem to have more finesse in the prequels. It was as if it really was an art. I can't help but notice the roughness of Klyo and Rey, almost amateurish. Not sure if thats intentional or not. I don't know. Obi, Anakin, Yoda would have cleaned streets against these fools. Even Darth Maul would have made Kylo sweat.
Your holding a slim tube that has a crystal that can be focused to create a energy weapon that can destroy a planet.
The force. This is also why worrying about Kylo Ren cutting himself with his cross guard was dumb. No one ever cuts themselves with their own lightsabers, but how many people have had their hands lopped off?
That part where Maul picks up some random debris on the floor, far out of the way, and flings it way behind himself. Is the dumbest thing ever in hindsight.
He’s fighting 2 Jedi at the same time and he takes a timeout to go FK THIS THING ON THE FLOOR SO MUCH, like bro chill
It's why only force users/advanced cyborgs ever wield them. To everyone else it's just a really cool way to loose your limb or cut yourself in half.
I didnt realize we were counting animated stuff
This. It makes more sense to spin them around like crazy, the only weight would be in the handle anyway.
why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
My favorite part is when the guys on the left just run away after getting deflected.
It would seem the actord couldn't move fast enough for the choreography to work? (I mean, Rey and Kylo)
It's a cropped, truncated gif of the actual shot, running slower than full speed and missing frames, looping endlessly so you have time to look for every flub.
No matter how you spin it, this is shit.
That was shit. This however is not.No matter how you spin it, this is shit.
None of the movies show any form of realistic sword combat and nor fucking should they when the people fighting have advanced reflexes and can jump 10 feet in the air.
Love the canon explanation of it being a lost art, hope it returns in the next trilogy, F the haters.
1. They used the actual actors and not stunt performers, so they probably were just not able to execute the choreography fast enough for everything to work perfectly.
Because it's a choreographed fight not meant to be watched in a slowed down gif. Most action scenes look goofy when slowed down and looking at a sub-30 second loop.
...I'll add that even the Darth Maul fight missed an important point about lightsaber duels.
In my opinion the best part of that duel is when those silly force fields come up and Qui-Gon Jinn drops into a meditative state to calm himself, and Darth Maul walks back and forth like a caged animal ready to strike.
It showed a real difference between the Jedi and the Sith. A real difference between the Light and Dark.
Then it went back to the wuxia style fights. What was really missing from that duel was the fighting styles. Maul should have been always going for a killing blow, with Obiwan and Qui-Gon defending against.
Every blow Maul made should have been leading to a kill blow that was barely blocked. While the two Jedi held him at bay locking for a non-lethal shot to bring him in.
Instead it was the typical wuxia battle. Which are great action scenes but, can fail to display the weight of a battle in favor of showing skill.
In the actual movie Darth Maul acts like the Jedi have done some great wrong the Sith must avenge. But when he fights them, he fights them like a Jedi. Defending against every move never going for a killing blow, except for the one time it works for the story.
And that's fine. But imagine a Darth Maul v Obi-wan and Qui-Gon duel, where the two Jedi, having not faced a Sith ever, who believed the Dark Side had no champions and had been practicing lightsaber techniques out of tradition. Like a Karate Dojo.
Suddenly had to face a true scion of the Dark Side.
One who makes every attack with his dual-bladed lightsaber a killing strike. Every parry an effort, ever dodge a near miss. Imagine what that fight would look like.
Hell, I would have Darth Maul even reveal his double bladed Saber until he had no choice.
Qui-Gon attacks, Maul parries, but Obi-wan attacks seconds latter from behind and the second blade comes our parrying Obi-wan's strike. Showing the difference between the Master striking true, and the apprentice striking easy.
It would show the difference between the Jedi and the Sith, not just in philosophy... But in how they fight.
Maul would still kill Qui-Gon, and Obi-wan would still win. But you would see the deadly truth of the Sith. That with a Sith you are either with them, or in their way. And you would see with the Jedi that life itself was the most important thing.
Some of the novels in this era explored that, but you don't get points for showing it in the homework.