I'd like to hear more about the objective superiority of the prequel fightsThe ones in the prequel are objectively superior and way more fun to watch.
The new ones are slower because there aren't any decent Jedi left.
The ones in the prequel are objectively superior and way more fun to watch.
The new ones are slower because there aren't any decent Jedi left.
also obi-wan is still super agile and careful after qui-gon diesI'll add that even the Darth Maul fight missed an important point about lightsaber duels.
I think it's a problem for almost all the movies where the fights are cut up with other stuff going on. Even when it's good other stuff, I don't like it. TFA I think was only cut in the middle of the saber fight, which is just a step below ideal.also obi-wan is still super agile and careful after qui-gon dies
Compare that to Luke going apeshit and cutting off Vader's hand
Also even if the duel was perfect it was interspersed with scenes of kid Anakin accidentally blowing up a ship
The saber fights seem to have more finesse in the prequels. It was as if it really was an art. I can't help but notice the roughness of Klyo and Rey, almost amateurish. Not sure if thats intentional or not. I don't know. Obi, Anakin, Yoda would have cleaned streets against these fools. Even Darth Maul would have made Kylo sweat.
kylo and rey were actually fighting. maul is swinging clear over obi wans head
also obi-wan is still super agile and careful after qui-gon dies
Compare that to Luke going apeshit and cutting off Vader's hand
Also even if the duel was perfect it was interspersed with scenes of kid Anakin accidentally blowing up a ship
Agreed.Like the slower combat of ESB+ROTJ. Feels like they fighting with feelings so it and extension of the character and not just waving it about in flashy but pointless motions.
WhatI like the over the top lightsaber battles; in the latest trilogy we might call them lightbats the way every one is swinging them..
That's because they were amateurs. Kylo was a padawan who never finished his training and Rey had never dueled anyone before, ever. The fights in the prequel trilogy were all between people who've been trained in actual combat styles. Of course it's intentional.The saber fights seem to have more finesse in the prequels. It was as if it really was an art. I can't help but notice the roughness of Klyo and Rey, almost amateurish. Not sure if thats intentional or not. I don't know. Obi, Anakin, Yoda would have cleaned streets against these fools. Even Darth Maul would have made Kylo sweat.
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Serious question. How has no one ever accidentally cut off a limb or worse while wielding these things?
I like the over the top lightsaber battles; in the latest trilogy we might call them lightbats the way every one is swinging them..
I disagree. I feel Obi-Wan v. Maul in Rebels is at least a close runner up, if not better.No
The duel between Luke and Vader is still the best saber fight in the franchise bar none
Like it isn't even close
The force. This is also why worrying about Kylo Ren cutting himself with his cross guard was dumb. No one ever cuts themselves with their own lightsabers, but how many people have had their hands lopped off?Serious question. How has no one ever accidentally cut off a limb or worse while wielding these things?
That part where Maul picks up some random debris on the floor, far out of the way, and flings it way behind himself. Is the dumbest thing ever in hindsight.
He's fighting 2 Jedi at the same time and he takes a timeout to go FK THIS THING ON THE FLOOR SO MUCH, like bro chill
Serious question. How has no one ever accidentally cut off a limb or worse while wielding these things?
I didnt realize we were counting animated stuffI disagree. I feel Obi-Wan v. Maul in Rebels is at least a close runner up, if not better.
Ah. Said franchise, not films, so figured you were. My apologies.
This. It makes more sense to spin them around like crazy, the only weight would be in the handle anyway.I vastly prefer the weightiness of the sequels.
However, aren't Light Sabers not supposed to like weight anything? So wouldn't dumb flashiness kinda make more sense then swinging them like actual swords?
My favorite part is when the guys on the left just run away after getting deflected.why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
It would seem the actord couldn't move fast enough for the choreography to work? (I mean, Rey and Kylo)why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
That was shit. This however is not.No matter how you spin it, this is shit.
None of the movies show any form of realistic sword combat and nor fucking should they when the people fighting have advanced reflexes and can jump 10 feet in the air.
Love the canon explanation of it being a lost art, hope it returns in the next trilogy, F the haters.
why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
Because it's a choreographed fight not meant to be watched in a slowed down gif. Most action scenes look goofy when slowed down and looking at a sub-30 second loop.why do they pose waiting for Rey to hit them? And why does Rey swing down low if the opening is up high? And why the one person swings after passing a ducking Kylo? And why is everyone waiting for a turn to swing?
this.Because it's a choreographed fight not meant to be watched in a slowed down gif. Most action scenes look goofy when slowed down and looking at a sub-30 second loop.
I'll add that even the Darth Maul fight missed an important point about lightsaber duels.
In my opinion the best part of that duel is when those silly force fields come up and Qui-Gon Jinn drops into a meditative state to calm himself, and Darth Maul walks back and forth like a caged animal ready to strike.
It showed a real difference between the Jedi and the Sith. A real difference between the Light and Dark.
Then it went back to the wuxia style fights. What was really missing from that duel was the fighting styles. Maul should have been always going for a killing blow, with Obiwan and Qui-Gon defending against.
Every blow Maul made should have been leading to a kill blow that was barely blocked. While the two Jedi held him at bay locking for a non-lethal shot to bring him in.
Instead it was the typical wuxia battle. Which are great action scenes but, can fail to display the weight of a battle in favor of showing skill.
In the actual movie Darth Maul acts like the Jedi have done some great wrong the Sith must avenge. But when he fights them, he fights them like a Jedi. Defending against every move never going for a killing blow, except for the one time it works for the story.
And that's fine. But imagine a Darth Maul v Obi-wan and Qui-Gon duel, where the two Jedi, having not faced a Sith ever, who believed the Dark Side had no champions and had been practicing lightsaber techniques out of tradition. Like a Karate Dojo.
Suddenly had to face a true scion of the Dark Side.
One who makes every attack with his dual-bladed lightsaber a killing strike. Every parry an effort, ever dodge a near miss. Imagine what that fight would look like.
Hell, I would have Darth Maul even reveal his double bladed Saber until he had no choice.
Qui-Gon attacks, Maul parries, but Obi-wan attacks seconds latter from behind and the second blade comes our parrying Obi-wan's strike. Showing the difference between the Master striking true, and the apprentice striking easy.
It would show the difference between the Jedi and the Sith, not just in philosophy... But in how they fight.
Maul would still kill Qui-Gon, and Obi-wan would still win. But you would see the deadly truth of the Sith. That with a Sith you are either with them, or in their way. And you would see with the Jedi that life itself was the most important thing.
Some of the novels in this era explored that, but you don't get points for showing it in the homework.