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Who is most responsible for taking down the La-li-lu-le-lo?

who put the most effort into the destruction of the Patriots?

  • Solid/Old Snake

    Votes: 96 38.2%

  • Ocelot

    Votes: 102 40.6%

  • Big Boss

    Votes: 17 6.8%

  • Raiden

    Votes: 11 4.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 25 10.0%
  • Total voters
    251
AndrewDean84

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Solid/Old Snake
Ocelot
Big Boss
Raiden

I am starting my annual play through of the series and just started wondering, who put the most effort into the destruction of the Patriots?
 
Dreamboum

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Well Ocelot destroyed it but Solid Snake was ideologically and physically opposed to the Patriots in every way, which is why he succeeded where others didn't. He didn't merely want to stick it to the man, it was against everything he believed in
 

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Solid Snake.
But he was mostly a pawn for em as well he exactly did what they wanted in most games he is in. Ofcourse unknowingly tho.
 
Jangowuzhere

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Solid Snake climbed down a microwave hallway and got barbecued inside and out.

Snake wins.
 
Crayon

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Thermodynamically, it's raiden. He must be at least eighty thousand horsepower and burns more energy in five hours of revengeance then all those other guys do in a lifetime.
 
Betty

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Ocelot basically played the very long con to take down the Patriots.

He sacrificed the most and went through the most, so I'd give it to him.
 
Ferrio

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Betty said:
Ocelot basically played the very long con to take down the Patriots.

He sacrificed the most and went through the most, so I'd give it to him.
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They wouldn't have existed with him in the first place though. It wasn't complete until Snake took out him and Big Boss, albeit inadvertently.
 

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I don't even remember them being taken down. I just remember being really disappointed with that that plot was handled.
 
Betty

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Ferrio said:
They wouldn't have existed with him in the first place though. It wasn't complete until Snake took out him and Big Boss, albeit inadvertently.
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Sure... I guess Snake did do the most overall, but Ocelot spent the most time dedicated to fulfilling that endgame.

AndrewDean84 said:
This is where I feel like I land as well. The man sacrificed his everything. Including his life, knowing Snake would have to kill him. He had to play the part of the villain.

His story is actually quite tragic.
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Self sacrifice and loyal to the end.
 
Rotobit

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it's literally Sunny (and her two dads)

Sure, everyone else played their pieces, but most of them also set up the game to begin with. The problem wouldn't exist if it weren't for the cast of MGS3 being real dumb.

I always thought it was awesome how Sunny and Otacon were the ones to end it, considering they were the ones most personally affected by it and weren't weird super humans or scheming tricksters.
 
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AndrewDean84

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Betty said:
Ocelot basically played the very long con to take down the Patriots.

He sacrificed the most and went through the most, so I'd give it to him.
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This is where I feel like I land as well. The man sacrificed his everything. Including his life, knowing Snake would have to kill him. He had to play the part of the villain.

His story is actually quite tragic.
 

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It's been too long, can someone summarise what happened? Or point to somewhere it's explained?
 
Fisty

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AndrewDean84 said:
This is where I feel like I land as well. The man sacrificed his everything. Including his life, knowing Snake would have to kill him. He had to play the part of the villain.

His story is actually quite tragic.
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The Boss had to do all that and give birth to him. I give it to The Boss.

And imagine being a female infantry soldier during WW2... jesus
 
Zero-ELEC

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The La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?!

Actual answer for topic title: Sunny
Actual answer for subject as per OP's text: Solid Snake/David
 
Truly Gargantuan

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It's Solid. Dude killed his father, his brother, and damn near himself to destroy the Patriots. He was also branded a terrorist and gave you any semblance of a normal, functioning life.
 

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Ocelot orchestrated everything to make it happen in the first place.

Snake may have put in the grunt work, but at the end of the day he's just an unwitting pawn being played by Ocelot like a damn fiddle.
 
matrix-cat

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The entire Metal Gear saga was more or less entirely conceived and executed by Ocelot, if you really want to dig down deep into it. The only things you can't give him credit for is the stuff that happened before he was even born, but basically everything from MGS3 in 1964 to his death in 2014 in MGS4 was either orchestrated by Ocelot himself, or Ocelot after having brainwashed his-goddamn-self into being a different guy. Twice. He not only pulled the strings that set the whole plan in motion to take down The Patriots, but he played a pretty instrumental hand in starting The Patriots in the first place.
 
Stantastic

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matrix-cat said:
The entire Metal Gear saga was more or less entirely conceived and executed by Ocelot, if you really want to dig down deep into it. The only things you can't give him credit for is the stuff that happened before he was even born, but basically everything from MGS3 in 1964 to his death in 2014 in MGS4 was either orchestrated by Ocelot himself, or Ocelot after having brainwashed his-goddamn-self into being a different guy. Twice. He not only pulled the strings that set the whole plan in motion to take down The Patriots, but he played a pretty instrumental hand in starting The Patriots in the first place.
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Yeah this, snakes was an important piece of it all and he did his job admirably, but no one else would have come even close to taking them down without ocelots insanely long game planing
 
ActWan

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I give it to Ocelot. Even though a lot more helped in their own way I feel like he had the most important part in all of it.
"Who put the most effort?" I'll go with Ocelot too.
 
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Jangowuzhere said:
Solid Snake climbed down a microwave hallway and got barbecued inside and out.

Snake wins.
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Too be fair, he went through that microwave, got fried and passed out.
While Otacons little robot passed through the microwave just fine and did all the programming work necessary.

All Snake did there was suffer.
 
Stantastic

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like, Ocelot was halfway through his plan to stop the patriots before Snake even knew they existed
 
Laser Ramon

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A lot of the examples of things people did to take down The Patriots were things the The Patriots themselves orchestrated, so I'm not sure those count.
 
Window

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This reminded me how absolutely insane and stupid MGS4 is in how it explains Ocelot's motivations and actions.

With that in mind, the answer is Ocelot.
 
SolVanderlyn

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It hasn't been taken down and MGS2/4 is a fictional representative or what our very real government is life so that we will all dismiss such ideas as ludicrous...

If the real Solid Snake/Raiden exists, he is fighting against the political storm.
 
Vito

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Ocelot.

He practically deleted himself and took Liquid's identity for 7 years to take them out.
 
Kain

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It was Ocelot's convoluted and stupid plan, so him
 
Binabik15

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B.K. said:
I don't even remember them being taken down. I just remember being really disappointed with that that plot was handled.
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Here comes Zero...in a wheeeeeelchair!

It was all your old pals! OMG Big Boss you so sexy, I, like, love you. Yeah, I did not like what happened with the story after MGS3.
 
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